[Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms. Rogers
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Fri Apr 21 15:39:44 PDT 2006
I'm not sure if the Internet is able to quite contain, Donovan, the
differences between you and Mark.
keely
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com>, Vision2020 Moscow
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: RE: Re: [Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms. Rogers
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
Mark,
Yes. You are indeed the only one on this list that has had those things
to happen to you. Thanks for sharing. Can I share mine now?
I guess the difference between me and you is that I have learned not to
wait until the knife is in me to respond.
Take Care,
_DJA
Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote: RE: Re: [Vision2020] Wrong
again, Ms. Rogers Donovan,
As someone who has been stabbed, beaten, threatened with a gun and had
numerous acts of property vandalism directed at me for being who I am, not
to mention the direct death threats given in full public view at public
hearing and other written and verbal attacks, your list of supposed acts
that "have threatened, harassed, intimidated and violated the rights of
many people in my town" are ludicrous. Some perspective, please.
Mark Solomon
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:36:42 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms. Rogers
To: joanopyr at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
CC:
Yes, Ms. Rogers,
I stand by my allegation that you, and members of your gang, have
threatened, harassed, intimidated and violated the rights of many people in
my town. Especially myself and members of NSA and Christ Church; not just
Doug Wilson. God only knows what you have done to other people that dared
to disagree with you.
Here are your own words Joan, and this only includes a few writings
from V2020, not personal emails, publications and your radio show:
"Now, put on your dunce cap, boy, and write "I know bupkes" on the
chalkboard 2005 times. That should keep you busy until kingdom come. Joan
Opyr to Metzler Nov 2005
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022053.html
(In the words of my late grandfather, if I wanted any shit out of Jeff
Harkins, I'd squeeze his head.)
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022342.html
Since Doug Wilson is not Nick Gier's academic offspring, what is he? The
bastard at the UI Philosophy Department's family reunion, of course!
And, according to the time-honored traditions of Southern genealogy, this
makes Aaron Rench a bastard once-removed. Here you attack a family
member of mine
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020728.html
Here you attack about 100 plus Moscow Residents I mean other than the
Kirk's desperation to divert speculation away from the idea that this
might be more of their
hee-haw, dumb-assed, "Trinitarian" skylarking. Let's face it; this has
all of the Wilsonite hallmarks. Arrogance meets Ignorance in the back
room at Bucer's. They buy each other a beer and, when they've run out of
boob, and blonde, and knock-knock jokes, they decide to pull a fast one
on the University of Idaho. Jeez. How funny. I'll bet they can all
belch the alphabet as well. Boys, boys, boys -- bearded, pot-bellied,
and otherwise -- you are way too old to be playing these sorts of games.
Also, your timing is dreadful. This latest "prank" against the U of I
occurred on the very same day that Bob Hieronymous, New St. Andrew's new PR
man, announced to the Daily News that NSA expects to be accredited any
day now by TRACS. When (or if) that happens, Itty Bitty Bob says that NSA
hopes to cooperate with the University of Idaho on various academic
adventures. Uh-huh. If any of the Kirk's comedians had anything to do
with putting out
this little hoax ditty -- and, as many have mentioned, boys, you do have
priors -- then I suspect you'll have to look elsewhere for academic
partners. Might I suggest Bob Jones University and Beulah Bible College?
And there's always those ads in the back of comic books where you draw
"Timmy the Turtle" or "Patchy the Pirarte." Aarrrhhh, mateys!
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020760.html As
soon as I finish my training with the SAS, I expect Dale "Studley"
Courtney and Doug "Lemeno" Farris to accept my challenge to a cage fight
in Friendship Square. So, Donovan has taken a class in terrorism
(Really? From Osama himself?)
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021543.html
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021558.html A
day in the life of Doug F: 1) Wake up after night spent tossing and
turning, worrying that feminists, lesbians, gays, Democrats, dog
lovers, Jews, Unitarians, Muslims, atheists, blacks, Mexicans, Asians
and Mariners fans might, just might, be living happy, joyful, and
fulfilling lives. Ponder how you can piss on their corn flakes. 2)
Speaking of corn flakes, notice that Tony the Tiger seems to be wearing an
ascot. Is he gay? That "It's greeeaaaat!" business is way to close to
"It's fabulous!" Phone Dale C. but discover that he eats Fruit Loops.
Resolve to ask Doug W. at next Head of Household meeting what kind of
cereal men of chest eat. Suspect it's Scottish oats with salt and pepper.
Dine accordingly. 3) Make list of ways to work personal
reproductive excesses into daily conversation. World must know that Doug F
is not shooting blanks! 4) Werk on speling and gramer. Will zing that
Joan O on 2020 if it kills me! 5) Think about what gay men and lesbians
do in bed. Think about it some more. Picture Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer
in Top Gun. Shudder.
Take cold shower. Read latest issue of the Navy Times. Shudder some
more. Write fan letter to James Dobson. And Tom Cruise. 6) Bored.
Read Vision 2020. Opyr-Huskey household seem to be having fun. Come up
with term "thing-in-law." That'll learn 'em! Pee self laughing at own
wit. Change boxers and post whopping great hilarity to list. 7)
Hilarity not widely appreciated but don't care. Pat on back from Dale C.
and Doug W. Manly pats. Very manly. Re-read Navy Times. See that Tom
Cruise is on Pay Per View. Set TiVo and fill bathtub with ice water.
8) Icewater *big* mistake. Manhood has become an internal organ. Call
Dr. G in a panic. He advises that Tom Cruise is on Pay Per View.
Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, but must keep up
appearances. Feet are already so small . . . 9) Supplement
Cruise-watching with a heating pad, a glass of bourbon, and a Dominican
cigar. Very worried. Still look as if
suffering from Kleinfelter Syndrome.
(http://www.flash-med.com/Symptoms2.asp?Symptom_Word=Kleinfelter). Too old
to rejoin Navy? 10) Take out inadequacies on Vision 2020. Surpass self
in nasty, unpleasant, un-Christian observations. Feel sudden swelling of
manly pride and . . . there we go, swelling spreads from brain cell to
prostate. Phew! All systems restored. Off to beddy-bye now and sweet
dreams of . . . damn! Tom Cruise, get out of my mind! My love for you
is way out of line! Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.auntie-establishment.com
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/019969.html
What's that you say, Jerry? You don't like it? Neither, to be quite
honest, do I. It's my feeling that a real church wouldn't have moles; a
real church wouldn't need them. By my definition, a real church is a
voluntary gathering of men and women who worship, think and pray as they
see fit without fear of retaliation
(either financial, spiritual or social) from their pastor. Your
plea has fallen on deaf ears, I fear. Unless the chicken was a Christian
Reconstructionist, Doug Farris just doesn't give a cluck.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/020255.html
"Here's how it will work -- should we ever meet in the flesh, I'll ask you
the following question: "Hey, Jimmy, can yer mammy sew?" That's your cue
to turn tail and run like hell because the answer is a powerful head butt
accompanied by the words, "Then tell her to stitch this!" Sound like fun?
No?"
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/020381.html In
the immortal words of Alice Roosevelt, if you don't have anything nice to
say about someone, then come sit by me.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/023552.html
Finally, in the spirit of New Year cheer, we'll be playing a special
medley of tunes especially dedicated to our tireless
blogstalker, Dale Comb-over Courtney.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/023681.html Doug
Wilson and New St. Andrews are serial zoning violators. "Now, I want to
make it clear that I absolutely do not want Doug Farris, Dale Courtney,
Lou Sheldon, Jesse Helms, or J. Edgar Hoover in my club. I would much
prefer that all GLBT people (or those below 5 on the Kinsey scale) were
marvelously self-accepting and well-adjusted. Unfortunately, the
University of Georgia is against me, and it would seem that those who
negatively obsess about what gay men and lesbians do in bed are often sad,
latent, and repressed individuals who could do with an understanding,
kind, and patient therapist."
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/025002.html The
earth orbits the Sun; the earth does not orbit Donovan Arnold. Not yet,
anyway. Not so long as you take your Leptropril and keep eating at
Subway.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-June/018062.html "It's
entirely possible to make money by being a professional asshole, but from
what I've seen of your work before the Moscow City Council and here on
Vision 2020, you're no Dennis Miller. You're not even close."
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026058.html
And you base this on what, Pat? Doug Wilson wouldn't be Doug Wilson if he
didn't thumb his nose at the law; if he didn't believe that he was above
trivialities like paying property taxes or obeying zoning laws.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026058.html
Everyone love Frito Lay, and Sara Lee, and Little Debbie. But no one loves
an arrogant lawbreaker who demands special treatment.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026007.html
"However, unlike, say, WalMart, once you join at Doug's God Shop, you
cannot simply walk out the door. You've signed
a contract; you've promised to buy from Doug and only Doug until Kingdom
come. You break this contract at your peril. The consequences of
leaving? Character assassination. Firing. Loss of friends. Loss of
income. Loss (in covenantal theology) of your relationship with God."
If I am missing something, please let me know. There is more, much,
much more.
Take Care, _DJA
Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com> wrote:
> You ask what laws you have violated. OK, here are a few for to start.
> Harassment, intimidation, and making threats. As for libelous, how
> about looking back at some of your own emails and online publications.
>
Wrong again, Donovan. I have threatened no one. I have harassed no
one. And intimidation? Who? Where? When? These charges are real,
Donovan, and your making them has real consequences. You must learn to
distinguish between legitimate public criticism of a public figure, and
criminal trespass, libel, intimidation and threats. I criticize public
figures for a living; Doug Wilson is among those public figures. So is
George W. Bush. I have not harassed or threatened either. (I believe
that threatening the President lands one in the pokey. You'll notice
that I'm not in the pokey. I'm not emailing you from the Latah County
Jail or, worse yet, from Guantanamo Bay.)
Here's my challenge to you, Donovan: either put up or shut up. Cite an
actual legal statute and then demonstrate with evidence (not your
personal opinion) that I have violated that statute. No one is immune
from criticism -- not you, not me, not Dale Courtney and not Pastor
Wilson. It's also the case that public figures have less protection
than private figures. This is one of the many reasons I feature so
prominently on Dale's odious blog. I'd rather not have what I write
here reposted without my permission, but as a public figure, there's
precious little I can do about it. Now, should Dale violate the
copyright on any of my published materials -- my novel, my work for New
West, Stonewall, the Seattle Gay Times, the Boise Weekly, or the
Co-Op's Community News -- then you can bet your sweet bippy I can and
would sue the smarmy little git. But Vision 2020 posts or letters to
the editor are fair game.
Very seriously,
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com
PS: As far as I'm concerned, this is the end of our correspondence on
this subject. You are again out of line, and I again advise you to
step back. Pronto.
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