[Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms. Rogers

Fri Apr 21 15:03:29 PDT 2006

Mark,

 Yes. You are indeed the only one on this list that has  had those things to happen to you. Thanks for sharing. Can I share mine  now? 

  I guess the difference between me and you is that I have learned not to wait until the knife is in me to respond. 

  Take Care,

  _DJA

Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:    RE: Re: [Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms.  Rogers  Donovan,

  As  someone who has been stabbed, beaten, threatened with a gun and had  numerous acts of property vandalism directed at me for being who I am,  not to mention the direct death threats given in full public view at  public hearing and other written and verbal attacks, your list of  supposed acts that "have threatened, harassed, intimidated and violated  the rights of many people in my town" are ludicrous. Some perspective,  please.

  Mark Solomon

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  Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:36:42 -0700
  From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms. Rogers
  To: joanopyr at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
  CC:

  Yes, Ms. Rogers,
    I  stand by my allegation that you, and members of your gang, have  threatened, harassed, intimidated and violated the rights of many  people in my town. Especially myself and members of NSA and Christ  Church; not just Doug Wilson. God only knows what you have done to  other people that dared to disagree with you.
    Here are your own words Joan, and this only includes a  few writings
  from V2020, not personal emails, publications and your radio show:

  "Now, put on your dunce cap, boy, and write "I know bupkes"  on the  chalkboard 2005 times.  That should keep you busy  until kingdom come.  Joan Opyr to Metzler Nov 2005  http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022053.html     (In the words of my late grandfather, if  I  wanted any shit out of Jeff Harkins, I'd squeeze his  head.)     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022342.html     Since  Doug Wilson is not Nick Gier's academic offspring,  what is he?  The  bastard at the UI Philosophy Department's family  reunion, of course!     And, according to the time-honored traditions of  Southern genealogy,  this makes Aaron Rench a bastard  once-removed.     Here you attack a family member of mine  http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020728.html     Here you attack about 100 plus Moscow  Residents  I mean other than the Kirk's desperation to  divert  speculation away from the idea that this might be more  of their 
 hee-haw, dumb-assed, "Trinitarian"  skylarking.  Let's face it; this has  all of the Wilsonite hallmarks.  Arrogance meets  Ignorance in the back  room at Bucer's.  They buy each other a beer and,  when they've run out  of boob,  and blonde, and knock-knock jokes, they  decide to pull a fast  one on the University of Idaho.  Jeez.  How  funny.  I'll bet they can  all belch the alphabet as well.     Boys, boys, boys -- bearded, pot-bellied, and  otherwise -- you are way  too old to be playing these sorts of games.   Also, your timing is  dreadful.  This latest "prank" against  the U of I occurred on the very  same day that Bob Hieronymous, New St. Andrew's new PR  man, announced  to the Daily News that NSA expects to be accredited  any day now by  TRACS.  When (or if) that happens, Itty Bitty Bob  says that NSA hopes  to cooperate with the University of Idaho on various  academic  adventures.  Uh-huh.  If any of the Kirk's  comedians had anything to do  with putting out
 this little hoax ditty -- and, as  many have mentioned,  boys, you do have priors -- then I suspect you'll have  to look  elsewhere for academic partners.  Might I suggest  Bob Jones University  and Beulah Bible College?     And there's always those ads in the back of comic  books where you draw  "Timmy the Turtle" or "Patchy the  Pirarte."  Aarrrhhh, mateys!     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020760.html     As soon as I finish my training with the SAS, I expect  Dale "Studley"  Courtney and Doug "Lemeno" Farris to accept  my challenge to a cage  fight in Friendship Square.         So, Donovan has taken a class in terrorism (Really?   From Osama  himself?)  http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021543.html        http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021558.html     A day in the life of Doug F:     1) Wake up after night spent tossing and turning,  worrying that  feminists, lesbians, gays, Democrats, dog
 lovers,  Jews, Unitarians,  Muslims, atheists, blacks, Mexicans, Asians and  Mariners fans  might,  just might, be living happy, joyful, and fulfilling  lives.  Ponder how  you can piss on their corn flakes.     2) Speaking of corn flakes, notice that Tony the Tiger  seems to be  wearing an ascot.  Is he gay?  That  "It's greeeaaaat!" business is way  to close to "It's fabulous!"  Phone  Dale C. but discover that he eats  Fruit Loops.  Resolve to ask Doug W. at next Head  of Household meeting  what kind of cereal men of chest eat.  Suspect  it's Scottish oats with  salt and pepper.  Dine  accordingly.     3) Make list of ways to  work personal  reproductive excesses into daily  conversation.  World must know that Doug F is not  shooting blanks!     4) Werk on speling and gramer.  Will zing that  Joan O on 2020 if it  kills me!     5) Think about what gay men and lesbians do in bed.   Think about it  some more.  Picture Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer in  Top Gun.  Shudder.  
 Take cold shower.  Read latest issue of the Navy  Times.  Shudder some  more.  Write fan letter to James Dobson.   And Tom Cruise.     6) Bored.  Read Vision 2020.  Opyr-Huskey  household seem to be having  fun.  Come up with term  "thing-in-law."  That'll learn 'em!  Pee  self  laughing at own wit.  Change boxers and post  whopping great hilarity to  list.     7) Hilarity not widely appreciated but don't care.   Pat on back from  Dale C. and Doug W.  Manly pats.  Very  manly.  Re-read Navy Times.  See  that Tom Cruise is on Pay Per View.  Set TiVo and  fill bathtub with ice  water.     8) Icewater *big* mistake.  Manhood has become an  internal organ.  Call  Dr. G in a panic.  He advises that Tom Cruise is  on Pay Per View.   Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, but must  keep up  appearances.  Feet are already so small . .  .     9) Supplement Cruise-watching with a heating pad, a  glass of bourbon,  and a Dominican cigar.  Very worried.  Still  look as if
 suffering from  Kleinfelter Syndrome.   (http://www.flash-med.com/Symptoms2.asp?Symptom_Word=Kleinfelter).  Too  old to rejoin Navy?     10) Take out inadequacies on Vision 2020.   Surpass self in nasty,  unpleasant, un-Christian observations.  Feel  sudden swelling of manly  pride and . . . there we go, swelling spreads from  brain cell to  prostate.  Phew!  All systems restored.   Off to beddy-bye now and sweet  dreams of . . . damn!     Tom Cruise, get out of my mind!  My love for you  is way out of line!     Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment  www.auntie-establishment.com     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/019969.html     What's that you say, Jerry?  You don't like it?   Neither, to be quite  honest, do I.  It's my feeling that a real church  wouldn't have moles;  a real church wouldn't need them.  By my  definition, a real church is a  voluntary gathering of men and women who worship,  think and pray as  they see fit without fear of retaliation
 (either  financial,  spiritual  or social) from their pastor.     Your plea has fallen on deaf ears, I fear.   Unless the chicken was a  Christian Reconstructionist, Doug Farris just doesn't  give a cluck.     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/020255.html  "Here's  how it will work -- should we ever meet in the flesh, I'll ask you the  following question:  "Hey, Jimmy, can yer mammy sew?"  That's  your cue to turn tail and run like hell because the answer is a  powerful head butt accompanied by the words, "Then tell her to stitch  this!"  Sound like fun?  No?"     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/020381.html  In the immortal words of Alice Roosevelt, if you don't  have anything nice to say about someone, then come sit by  me.     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/023552.html  Finally, in the spirit of New Year cheer, we'll be  playing a special  medley of tunes especially dedicated to our tireless 
 blogstalker, Dale  Comb-over Courtney.     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/023681.html  Doug Wilson and New St. Andrews are serial zoning  violators.     "Now, I want to make it clear that I   absolutely do not want Doug Farris,  Dale Courtney, Lou Sheldon, Jesse Helms, or J. Edgar  Hoover in my club.    I would much prefer that all GLBT people  (or those below 5 on the  Kinsey scale) were marvelously self-accepting and  well-adjusted.   Unfortunately, the University of Georgia is against  me, and it would  seem that those who negatively obsess about what gay  men and lesbians  do in bed are often sad, latent, and repressed  individuals who could do  with an understanding, kind, and patient  therapist."        http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/025002.html  The earth orbits the Sun; the earth does not  orbit  Donovan Arnold.  Not yet, anyway.  Not so  long as you take your Leptropril and  keep eating at Subway.    
 http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-June/018062.html  "It's  entirely possible to make money by being a professional asshole, but  from what I've seen of your work before the Moscow City Council and  here on Vision 2020, you're no Dennis Miller.  You're not even  close."     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026058.html     And you base this on what, Pat?  Doug Wilson  wouldn't be Doug Wilson if  he didn't thumb his nose at the law; if he didn't  believe that he was  above trivialities like paying property taxes or  obeying zoning laws.     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026058.html  Everyone  love Frito Lay, and Sara Lee, and Little Debbie.  But no one loves  an arrogant lawbreaker who demands special treatment.     http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026007.html     "However, unlike, say, WalMart,  once  you join at Doug's God Shop, you cannot simply walk  out the door.   You've signed
 a contract; you've promised to buy from  Doug and only  Doug until Kingdom come.  You break this contract  at your  peril.  The  consequences of leaving?  Character  assassination.  Firing.  Loss of  friends.  Loss of income.  Loss (in  covenantal theology) of your  relationship with God."        If I am missing something, please let me know. There is  more, much, much more.
    Take Care,  _DJA  

  Joan Opyr <joanopyr at moscow.com> wrote:
  > You ask what laws you have violated. OK, here are a  few for to start.
  > Harassment, intimidation, and making threats. As for libelous,  how
  > about looking back at some of your own emails and online  publications.
  >

  Wrong again, Donovan. I have threatened no one. I have harassed no
  one. And intimidation? Who? Where? When? These charges are real,
  Donovan, and your making them has real consequences. You must learn  to
  distinguish between legitimate public criticism of a public figure,  and
  criminal trespass, libel, intimidation and threats. I criticize  public
  figures for a living; Doug Wilson is among those public figures. So  is
  George W. Bush. I have not harassed or threatened either. (I  believe
  that threatening the President lands one in the pokey. You'll  notice
  that I'm not in the pokey. I'm not emailing you from the Latah  County
  Jail or, worse yet, from Guantanamo Bay.)

  Here's my challenge to you, Donovan: either put up or shut up. Cite  an
  actual legal statute and then demonstrate with evidence (not your
  personal opinion) that I have violated that statute. No one is  immune
  from criticism -- not you, not me, not Dale Courtney and not  Pastor
  Wilson. It's also the case that public figures have less  protection
  than private figures. This is one of the many reasons I feature so
  prominently on Dale's odious blog. I'd rather not have what I  write
  here reposted without my permission, but as a public figure,  there's
  precious little I can do about it. Now, should Dale violate the
  copyright on any of my published materials -- my novel, my work for  New
  West, Stonewall, the Seattle Gay Times, the Boise Weekly, or  the  Co-Op's Community News -- then you can bet your sweet  bippy I can and
  would sue the smarmy little git. But Vision 2020 posts or letters  to
  the editor are fair game.

  Very seriously,
  Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
  www.joanopyr.com

  PS: As far as I'm concerned, this is the end of our correspondence  on
  this subject. You are again out of line, and I again advise you to
  step back. Pronto.

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