[Vision2020] in a better world ...

[Tom Hansen]

Just for "refresher" purposes . . .
 
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027
 
Seeya round town, Moscow.
 
Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho



> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:48:19 -0700> From: bherodotus at yahoo.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] in a better world ...> > Dear Mr. Schwaller,> > As you know from our previous exchanges, I am the> official historian for Vision 20/20, and up until 2003> it was a relatively easy job. But after that> disastrous slavery thing hit the Palouse, Doug Wilson> ran from this list quicker than you can say> “Edna,” which made my official job much more> difficult. You see, just because the big fat coward> ran didn’t mean he was gone forever. He had a plan.> And that plan entailed him adopting multiple> pseudonyms so that he could continue his efforts at> CONTROLLING THE CONVERSATION. Besides, he wanted to> pay back a few people who really stuck it to him> during the whole slavery thing. So he wrote under> various noms de guerre, thinking that no one would see> through him. Of course, the big tell for all these pen> names was their agenda. The personalities were not> particularly well thought out but to a man (and woman)> they rose to Wilson’s defense or delivered viscous> insults to those who criticized him. I only note these> historical facts because you were not here and I> believe it’s important for you to understand what a> terribly petty man he is. He actually hid behind fake> names to defend his honor. Ironically, however, while> Wilson busied himself with exacting vengeance and> vindicating himself, Steven Sitler was raping the> little boys and girls of Christ Church. I’m sure for> Wilson it was worth it because in the end, IT’S ALL> ABOUT DOUG. But the long and short of it is that Mr.> Wilson with all his pseudonyms has made my job as the> official historian of this list much more difficult.> > Difficulties notwithstanding, I want to call to your> attention to a statement you made in your most recent> post. You wrote, > > “Huh. Seems about a year ago a few of Moscow’s> best were chortling about what a great idea it would> be if ‘someone’ were to sexually abuse Doug> Wilson’s grandchildren. ‘Ho what a great idea!’> ‘That otta teach him!’ ‘Maybe he’ll learn> something’ etc etc etc.”> > I call this to your attention because as the official> historian for this list I researched your allegation> and discovered that you didn’t quite tell the truth.> In fact, you lied. Here are two hyperlinks to the two> posts that got your fur up and you’ll notice that> neither of them resemble your reconstruction of> events. > > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044231.html> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044235.html> > And here is a link to a post written by a regular on> this list who took deep offense at the mere> suggestion. (Interestingly, she was one of two women> who kicked Wilson’s ass in tax court; you should> have seen that, Mr. Schwaller!):> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044271.html> > So you see, it didn’t quite happen as you remember.> In fact, it happened just the opposite of your memory.> > But don’t take my word for it; take yours! If you> read the following link you can see what YOU wrote> last regarding this subject and it’s clear that at> that time you didn’t think the whole list applauded> the two men. In fact, you actually demanded that the> two men apologize to the list for their proposition,> which kind of reminds me of the time that Wilson wrote> to the governor to ask him to make the UI apologize to> him (but we exhausted that subject last year).> Here’s the link to refresh your memory:> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044284.html> > Now, I know that you’ve been a busy man with> blogging, recruiting, self-promotion, and the Polk> Extension Land Fill; but I think it’s important for> the truth’s sake to clarify the facts here. After> all, you predicated your entire argument on this false> statement by comparing your false memory of events> with Wilson’s disgusting statement about “lynching> homos,” and you concluded your argument by asking a> (rhetorical) question, “Who really is sick,> horrible, and deplorable?”> > Given these facts, Mr. Schwaller, I believe the answer> to your question is that YOU are sick, horrible, and> deplorable for lying about two members of this list in> order to condemn the entire list for sins that no one> committed all because of your obsession with defending> Wilson. So if we apply your standard to you that you> established last year on this list, I believe you owe> all of Vision 20/20 an apology. Please, do us all a> favor and get in touch with reality. Deal with the> real word and not your fantasies. Humble yourself, Mr.> Schwaller, and get in touch with your inner man. I> sincerely ask you to say you’re sorry to everyone> here, just as Wilson asked the governor to make the UI> apologize to the community.> > Let’s make this right.> > Cordially,> > Dougs’ Hero> > > > > --- Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com> wrote:> > > Huh. Seems about a year ago a few of Moscow's best> > were chortling about> > what a great idea it would be if "someone" were to> > sexually abuse Doug> > Wilson's grandchildren. "Ho what a great idea!" > > "That otta teach him!"> > "Maybe he'll learn something" etc etc etc.> > > > Now I certainly do NOT condone any statement about> > lynching homos nor> > siccing pedophiles on anyone's grandchildren. But it> > seems once again the> > Visionary Vigilantes think it's horrible, deplorable> > and just plain sick to> > make light of someone political/religious> > perspective by using an example> > homosexual in nature (granted, not the greatest> > possible avenue one could> > have chosen) but allowing Wilson's grandchildren to> > be sexually assaulted is> > a fine and worthwhile thing. Seems to me it's the> > same bunch who staged the> > "Let's all meet at FRIENDSHIP SQUARE and stage a> > shut down the peaceful,> > religious, family and community oriented Trinity> > Festival.> > > > Why am I not surprised . . . So my (rhetorical)> > question? Who really is> > sick, horrible, and deplorable?> > > > GS> > > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM, keely emerinemix> > <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:> > > > >> > > Visionaires,> > >> > > Never would I have thought that I would live in a> > community whose most> > > well-known and powerful pastor, one who claims to> > be a Trinitarian Christian> > > and a Bible teacher, would behave in the hostile,> > hateful, and horrendous> > > manner that Douglas Wilson of Christ Church has. > > During my six and a half> > > years of living in Moscow and loving it, I have> > been beyond dismayed at his> > > theology, teaching, and engagement with the> > community, and I've learned not> > > to be surprised at what comes from his pen or out> > of his mouth. But I find> > > that he yet has the ability to shock me, owing> > more to his crass conduct> > > than to my naivete, and this morning offers> > another example.> > >> > > In a column bashing Pastor Greg Boyd's new book on> > the idolatry of> > > Christians in claiming the United States as a> > "Christian nation," and> > > throwing themselves into politics in an attempt to> > make the kingdom of God> > > right here, right now, Wilson complains that Boyd> > has no basis, then, for> > > judging anything to be wrong. His serrated edge> > flashing, he says that, for> > > example, if he told Boyd his church spent last> > night "lynching homos -- you> > > shoulda been there!", Boyd couldn't reasonably> > object.> > >> > > Boyd won't, because Wilson's pontificating has,> > thankfully, a limited> > > audience. But I can, and I do. In fact, my> > 15-year-old son Jonah and I> > > both responded to Wilson on his Blog and Mablog,> > and while my son responded> > > to the church/state issue, I'm as proud of him as> > I am embarrassed, once> > > again, by the man who would like to be thought of> > as the Bishop of the> > > Palouse. I invite you to read my comments there. > > If not, let me state in> > > the most concrete way that I can:> > >> > > For a pastor to make a point, any point, by using> > "lynching homos" as an> > > example, one of hyperbole and excess, is> > despicable, particularly given the> > > virulent homophobia Wilson has espoused. And for> > none of his readers to> > > complain is, while predictable, most> > disappointing. In a perfect world, or> > > even a mildly better one, other Christians would> > howl in protest, rebuking> > > Wilson immediately and publicly. It ain't that> > kind of world, though. And,> > > hesitant church leadership notwithstanding, it's> > frankly just as sad to me> > > that many of you don't want to comment, object, or> > even know -- and wish I> > > would just shut up about the whole thing.> > >> > > Sorry, but I can't do it. What I can and will do,> > however, is begin my own> > > very publicized, very pointed blog devoted to> > defending the Gospel by> > > correcting bad theology both within the Kirk and> > from other sources. I> > > don't know what to call it yet, and I don't know> > how to design it, but I> > > intend to never let up 'til the day I die . . .> > >> > > The stakes for our community are high, higher than> > most Moscow residents> > > realize. But the stakes are even higher for the> > message of peace and> > > reconciliation, justice and love, spoken and lived> > by the Lord Jesus Christ> > > and sullied by Wilson, et al. If Christ means> > anything to me, I can> > > certainly endure the scorn of my neighbors and the> > mocking of the boys at> > > the Kirk by writing against them. I'll still> > write on Vision, and still> > > write about Christ Church as relevant to the> > discussion, but the content of> > > my blog will be theology, gender and> > peace-and-justice issues, and scathing> > > critique of those who spew bigotry in the name of> > Christ.> > >> > > As a stay-at-home mom with a fairly useless BA> > from a quarter-century ago,> > > I may be "just a housewife" to some at the Kirk --> > but if I am a housewife,> > > I am a thundering one, and I can't be silent.> > >> > > Keely> > > > > > > > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com> =======================================================
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