[Vision2020] in a better world ...
Dougs Hero
bherodotus at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 28 05:48:19 PDT 2008
Dear Mr. Schwaller,
As you know from our previous exchanges, I am the
official historian for Vision 20/20, and up until 2003
it was a relatively easy job. But after that
disastrous slavery thing hit the Palouse, Doug Wilson
ran from this list quicker than you can say
âEdna,â which made my official job much more
difficult. You see, just because the big fat coward
ran didnât mean he was gone forever. He had a plan.
And that plan entailed him adopting multiple
pseudonyms so that he could continue his efforts at
CONTROLLING THE CONVERSATION. Besides, he wanted to
pay back a few people who really stuck it to him
during the whole slavery thing. So he wrote under
various noms de guerre, thinking that no one would see
through him. Of course, the big tell for all these pen
names was their agenda. The personalities were not
particularly well thought out but to a man (and woman)
they rose to Wilsonâs defense or delivered viscous
insults to those who criticized him. I only note these
historical facts because you were not here and I
believe itâs important for you to understand what a
terribly petty man he is. He actually hid behind fake
names to defend his honor. Ironically, however, while
Wilson busied himself with exacting vengeance and
vindicating himself, Steven Sitler was raping the
little boys and girls of Christ Church. Iâm sure for
Wilson it was worth it because in the end, ITâS ALL
ABOUT DOUG. But the long and short of it is that Mr.
Wilson with all his pseudonyms has made my job as the
official historian of this list much more difficult.
Difficulties notwithstanding, I want to call to your
attention to a statement you made in your most recent
post. You wrote,
âHuh. Seems about a year ago a few of Moscowâs
best were chortling about what a great idea it would
be if âsomeoneâ were to sexually abuse Doug
Wilsonâs grandchildren. âHo what a great idea!â
âThat otta teach him!â âMaybe heâll learn
somethingâ etc etc etc.â
I call this to your attention because as the official
historian for this list I researched your allegation
and discovered that you didnât quite tell the truth.
In fact, you lied. Here are two hyperlinks to the two
posts that got your fur up and youâll notice that
neither of them resemble your reconstruction of
events.
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044231.html
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044235.html
And here is a link to a post written by a regular on
this list who took deep offense at the mere
suggestion. (Interestingly, she was one of two women
who kicked Wilsonâs ass in tax court; you should
have seen that, Mr. Schwaller!):
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044271.html
So you see, it didnât quite happen as you remember.
In fact, it happened just the opposite of your memory.
But donât take my word for it; take yours! If you
read the following link you can see what YOU wrote
last regarding this subject and itâs clear that at
that time you didnât think the whole list applauded
the two men. In fact, you actually demanded that the
two men apologize to the list for their proposition,
which kind of reminds me of the time that Wilson wrote
to the governor to ask him to make the UI apologize to
him (but we exhausted that subject last year).
Hereâs the link to refresh your memory:
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044284.html
Now, I know that youâve been a busy man with
blogging, recruiting, self-promotion, and the Polk
Extension Land Fill; but I think itâs important for
the truthâs sake to clarify the facts here. After
all, you predicated your entire argument on this false
statement by comparing your false memory of events
with Wilsonâs disgusting statement about âlynching
homos,â and you concluded your argument by asking a
(rhetorical) question, âWho really is sick,
horrible, and deplorable?â
Given these facts, Mr. Schwaller, I believe the answer
to your question is that YOU are sick, horrible, and
deplorable for lying about two members of this list in
order to condemn the entire list for sins that no one
committed all because of your obsession with defending
Wilson. So if we apply your standard to you that you
established last year on this list, I believe you owe
all of Vision 20/20 an apology. Please, do us all a
favor and get in touch with reality. Deal with the
real word and not your fantasies. Humble yourself, Mr.
Schwaller, and get in touch with your inner man. I
sincerely ask you to say youâre sorry to everyone
here, just as Wilson asked the governor to make the UI
apologize to the community.
Letâs make this right.
Cordially,
Dougsâ Hero
--- Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller at gmail.com> wrote:
> Huh. Seems about a year ago a few of Moscow's best
> were chortling about
> what a great idea it would be if "someone" were to
> sexually abuse Doug
> Wilson's grandchildren. "Ho what a great idea!"
> "That otta teach him!"
> "Maybe he'll learn something" etc etc etc.
>
> Now I certainly do NOT condone any statement about
> lynching homos nor
> siccing pedophiles on anyone's grandchildren. But it
> seems once again the
> Visionary Vigilantes think it's horrible, deplorable
> and just plain sick to
> make light of someone political/religious
> perspective by using an example
> homosexual in nature (granted, not the greatest
> possible avenue one could
> have chosen) but allowing Wilson's grandchildren to
> be sexually assaulted is
> a fine and worthwhile thing. Seems to me it's the
> same bunch who staged the
> "Let's all meet at FRIENDSHIP SQUARE and stage a
> shut down the peaceful,
> religious, family and community oriented Trinity
> Festival.
>
> Why am I not surprised . . . So my (rhetorical)
> question? Who really is
> sick, horrible, and deplorable?
>
> GS
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM, keely emerinemix
> <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Visionaires,
> >
> > Never would I have thought that I would live in a
> community whose most
> > well-known and powerful pastor, one who claims to
> be a Trinitarian Christian
> > and a Bible teacher, would behave in the hostile,
> hateful, and horrendous
> > manner that Douglas Wilson of Christ Church has.
> During my six and a half
> > years of living in Moscow and loving it, I have
> been beyond dismayed at his
> > theology, teaching, and engagement with the
> community, and I've learned not
> > to be surprised at what comes from his pen or out
> of his mouth. But I find
> > that he yet has the ability to shock me, owing
> more to his crass conduct
> > than to my naivete, and this morning offers
> another example.
> >
> > In a column bashing Pastor Greg Boyd's new book on
> the idolatry of
> > Christians in claiming the United States as a
> "Christian nation," and
> > throwing themselves into politics in an attempt to
> make the kingdom of God
> > right here, right now, Wilson complains that Boyd
> has no basis, then, for
> > judging anything to be wrong. His serrated edge
> flashing, he says that, for
> > example, if he told Boyd his church spent last
> night "lynching homos -- you
> > shoulda been there!", Boyd couldn't reasonably
> object.
> >
> > Boyd won't, because Wilson's pontificating has,
> thankfully, a limited
> > audience. But I can, and I do. In fact, my
> 15-year-old son Jonah and I
> > both responded to Wilson on his Blog and Mablog,
> and while my son responded
> > to the church/state issue, I'm as proud of him as
> I am embarrassed, once
> > again, by the man who would like to be thought of
> as the Bishop of the
> > Palouse. I invite you to read my comments there.
> If not, let me state in
> > the most concrete way that I can:
> >
> > For a pastor to make a point, any point, by using
> "lynching homos" as an
> > example, one of hyperbole and excess, is
> despicable, particularly given the
> > virulent homophobia Wilson has espoused. And for
> none of his readers to
> > complain is, while predictable, most
> disappointing. In a perfect world, or
> > even a mildly better one, other Christians would
> howl in protest, rebuking
> > Wilson immediately and publicly. It ain't that
> kind of world, though. And,
> > hesitant church leadership notwithstanding, it's
> frankly just as sad to me
> > that many of you don't want to comment, object, or
> even know -- and wish I
> > would just shut up about the whole thing.
> >
> > Sorry, but I can't do it. What I can and will do,
> however, is begin my own
> > very publicized, very pointed blog devoted to
> defending the Gospel by
> > correcting bad theology both within the Kirk and
> from other sources. I
> > don't know what to call it yet, and I don't know
> how to design it, but I
> > intend to never let up 'til the day I die . . .
> >
> > The stakes for our community are high, higher than
> most Moscow residents
> > realize. But the stakes are even higher for the
> message of peace and
> > reconciliation, justice and love, spoken and lived
> by the Lord Jesus Christ
> > and sullied by Wilson, et al. If Christ means
> anything to me, I can
> > certainly endure the scorn of my neighbors and the
> mocking of the boys at
> > the Kirk by writing against them. I'll still
> write on Vision, and still
> > write about Christ Church as relevant to the
> discussion, but the content of
> > my blog will be theology, gender and
> peace-and-justice issues, and scathing
> > critique of those who spew bigotry in the name of
> Christ.
> >
> > As a stay-at-home mom with a fairly useless BA
> from a quarter-century ago,
> > I may be "just a housewife" to some at the Kirk --
> but if I am a housewife,
> > I am a thundering one, and I can't be silent.
> >
> > Keely
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