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Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>
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Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:48:19 -0700<BR>> From: bherodotus@yahoo.com<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] in a better world ...<BR>> <BR>> Dear Mr. Schwaller,<BR>> <BR>> As you know from our previous exchanges, I am the<BR>> official historian for Vision 20/20, and up until 2003<BR>> it was a relatively easy job. But after that<BR>> disastrous slavery thing hit the Palouse, Doug Wilson<BR>> ran from this list quicker than you can say<BR>> “Edna,” which made my official job much more<BR>> difficult. You see, just because the big fat coward<BR>> ran didn’t mean he was gone forever. He had a plan.<BR>> And that plan entailed him adopting multiple<BR>> pseudonyms so that he could continue his efforts at<BR>> CONTROLLING THE CONVERSATION. Besides, he wanted to<BR>> pay back a few people who really stuck it to him<BR>> during the whole slavery thing. So he wrote under<BR>> various noms de guerre, thinking that no one would see<BR>> through him. Of course, the big tell for all these pen<BR>> names was their agenda. The personalities were not<BR>> particularly well thought out but to a man (and woman)<BR>> they rose to Wilson’s defense or delivered viscous<BR>> insults to those who criticized him. I only note these<BR>> historical facts because you were not here and I<BR>> believe it’s important for you to understand what a<BR>> terribly petty man he is. He actually hid behind fake<BR>> names to defend his honor. Ironically, however, while<BR>> Wilson busied himself with exacting vengeance and<BR>> vindicating himself, Steven Sitler was raping the<BR>> little boys and girls of Christ Church. I’m sure for<BR>> Wilson it was worth it because in the end, IT’S ALL<BR>> ABOUT DOUG. But the long and short of it is that Mr.<BR>> Wilson with all his pseudonyms has made my job as the<BR>> official historian of this list much more difficult.<BR>> <BR>> Difficulties notwithstanding, I want to call to your<BR>> attention to a statement you made in your most recent<BR>> post. You wrote, <BR>> <BR>> “Huh. Seems about a year ago a few of Moscow’s<BR>> best were chortling about what a great idea it would<BR>> be if ‘someone’ were to sexually abuse Doug<BR>> Wilson’s grandchildren. ‘Ho what a great idea!’<BR>> ‘That otta teach him!’ ‘Maybe he’ll learn<BR>> something’ etc etc etc.”<BR>> <BR>> I call this to your attention because as the official<BR>> historian for this list I researched your allegation<BR>> and discovered that you didn’t quite tell the truth.<BR>> In fact, you lied. Here are two hyperlinks to the two<BR>> posts that got your fur up and you’ll notice that<BR>> neither of them resemble your reconstruction of<BR>> events. <BR>> <BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044231.html<BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044235.html<BR>> <BR>> And here is a link to a post written by a regular on<BR>> this list who took deep offense at the mere<BR>> suggestion. (Interestingly, she was one of two women<BR>> who kicked Wilson’s ass in tax court; you should<BR>> have seen that, Mr. Schwaller!):<BR>> <BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044271.html<BR>> <BR>> So you see, it didn’t quite happen as you remember.<BR>> In fact, it happened just the opposite of your memory.<BR>> <BR>> But don’t take my word for it; take yours! If you<BR>> read the following link you can see what YOU wrote<BR>> last regarding this subject and it’s clear that at<BR>> that time you didn’t think the whole list applauded<BR>> the two men. In fact, you actually demanded that the<BR>> two men apologize to the list for their proposition,<BR>> which kind of reminds me of the time that Wilson wrote<BR>> to the governor to ask him to make the UI apologize to<BR>> him (but we exhausted that subject last year).<BR>> Here’s the link to refresh your memory:<BR>> <BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-May/044284.html<BR>> <BR>> Now, I know that you’ve been a busy man with<BR>> blogging, recruiting, self-promotion, and the Polk<BR>> Extension Land Fill; but I think it’s important for<BR>> the truth’s sake to clarify the facts here. After<BR>> all, you predicated your entire argument on this false<BR>> statement by comparing your false memory of events<BR>> with Wilson’s disgusting statement about “lynching<BR>> homos,” and you concluded your argument by asking a<BR>> (rhetorical) question, “Who really is sick,<BR>> horrible, and deplorable?”<BR>> <BR>> Given these facts, Mr. Schwaller, I believe the answer<BR>> to your question is that YOU are sick, horrible, and<BR>> deplorable for lying about two members of this list in<BR>> order to condemn the entire list for sins that no one<BR>> committed all because of your obsession with defending<BR>> Wilson. So if we apply your standard to you that you<BR>> established last year on this list, I believe you owe<BR>> all of Vision 20/20 an apology. Please, do us all a<BR>> favor and get in touch with reality. Deal with the<BR>> real word and not your fantasies. Humble yourself, Mr.<BR>> Schwaller, and get in touch with your inner man. I<BR>> sincerely ask you to say you’re sorry to everyone<BR>> here, just as Wilson asked the governor to make the UI<BR>> apologize to the community.<BR>> <BR>> Let’s make this right.<BR>> <BR>> Cordially,<BR>> <BR>> Dougs’ Hero<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- Glenn Schwaller <vpschwaller@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Huh. Seems about a year ago a few of Moscow's best<BR>> > were chortling about<BR>> > what a great idea it would be if "someone" were to<BR>> > sexually abuse Doug<BR>> > Wilson's grandchildren. "Ho what a great idea!" <BR>> > "That otta teach him!"<BR>> > "Maybe he'll learn something" etc etc etc.<BR>> > <BR>> > Now I certainly do NOT condone any statement about<BR>> > lynching homos nor<BR>> > siccing pedophiles on anyone's grandchildren. But it<BR>> > seems once again the<BR>> > Visionary Vigilantes think it's horrible, deplorable<BR>> > and just plain sick to<BR>> > make light of someone political/religious<BR>> > perspective by using an example<BR>> > homosexual in nature (granted, not the greatest<BR>> > possible avenue one could<BR>> > have chosen) but allowing Wilson's grandchildren to<BR>> > be sexually assaulted is<BR>> > a fine and worthwhile thing. Seems to me it's the<BR>> > same bunch who staged the<BR>> > "Let's all meet at FRIENDSHIP SQUARE and stage a<BR>> > shut down the peaceful,<BR>> > religious, family and community oriented Trinity<BR>> > Festival.<BR>> > <BR>> > Why am I not surprised . . . So my (rhetorical)<BR>> > question? Who really is<BR>> > sick, horrible, and deplorable?<BR>> > <BR>> > GS<BR>> > <BR>> > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM, keely emerinemix<BR>> > <kjajmix1@msn.com> wrote:<BR>> > <BR>> > ><BR>> > > Visionaires,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Never would I have thought that I would live in a<BR>> > community whose most<BR>> > > well-known and powerful pastor, one who claims to<BR>> > be a Trinitarian Christian<BR>> > > and a Bible teacher, would behave in the hostile,<BR>> > hateful, and horrendous<BR>> > > manner that Douglas Wilson of Christ Church has. <BR>> > During my six and a half<BR>> > > years of living in Moscow and loving it, I have<BR>> > been beyond dismayed at his<BR>> > > theology, teaching, and engagement with the<BR>> > community, and I've learned not<BR>> > > to be surprised at what comes from his pen or out<BR>> > of his mouth. But I find<BR>> > > that he yet has the ability to shock me, owing<BR>> > more to his crass conduct<BR>> > > than to my naivete, and this morning offers<BR>> > another example.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > In a column bashing Pastor Greg Boyd's new book on<BR>> > the idolatry of<BR>> > > Christians in claiming the United States as a<BR>> > "Christian nation," and<BR>> > > throwing themselves into politics in an attempt to<BR>> > make the kingdom of God<BR>> > > right here, right now, Wilson complains that Boyd<BR>> > has no basis, then, for<BR>> > > judging anything to be wrong. His serrated edge<BR>> > flashing, he says that, for<BR>> > > example, if he told Boyd his church spent last<BR>> > night "lynching homos -- you<BR>> > > shoulda been there!", Boyd couldn't reasonably<BR>> > object.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Boyd won't, because Wilson's pontificating has,<BR>> > thankfully, a limited<BR>> > > audience. But I can, and I do. In fact, my<BR>> > 15-year-old son Jonah and I<BR>> > > both responded to Wilson on his Blog and Mablog,<BR>> > and while my son responded<BR>> > > to the church/state issue, I'm as proud of him as<BR>> > I am embarrassed, once<BR>> > > again, by the man who would like to be thought of<BR>> > as the Bishop of the<BR>> > > Palouse. I invite you to read my comments there. <BR>> > If not, let me state in<BR>> > > the most concrete way that I can:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > For a pastor to make a point, any point, by using<BR>> > "lynching homos" as an<BR>> > > example, one of hyperbole and excess, is<BR>> > despicable, particularly given the<BR>> > > virulent homophobia Wilson has espoused. And for<BR>> > none of his readers to<BR>> > > complain is, while predictable, most<BR>> > disappointing. In a perfect world, or<BR>> > > even a mildly better one, other Christians would<BR>> > howl in protest, rebuking<BR>> > > Wilson immediately and publicly. It ain't that<BR>> > kind of world, though. And,<BR>> > > hesitant church leadership notwithstanding, it's<BR>> > frankly just as sad to me<BR>> > > that many of you don't want to comment, object, or<BR>> > even know -- and wish I<BR>> > > would just shut up about the whole thing.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Sorry, but I can't do it. What I can and will do,<BR>> > however, is begin my own<BR>> > > very publicized, very pointed blog devoted to<BR>> > defending the Gospel by<BR>> > > correcting bad theology both within the Kirk and<BR>> > from other sources. I<BR>> > > don't know what to call it yet, and I don't know<BR>> > how to design it, but I<BR>> > > intend to never let up 'til the day I die . . .<BR>> > ><BR>> > > The stakes for our community are high, higher than<BR>> > most Moscow residents<BR>> > > realize. But the stakes are even higher for the<BR>> > message of peace and<BR>> > > reconciliation, justice and love, spoken and lived<BR>> > by the Lord Jesus Christ<BR>> > > and sullied by Wilson, et al. If Christ means<BR>> > anything to me, I can<BR>> > > certainly endure the scorn of my neighbors and the<BR>> > mocking of the boys at<BR>> > > the Kirk by writing against them. I'll still<BR>> > write on Vision, and still<BR>> > > write about Christ Church as relevant to the<BR>> > discussion, but the content of<BR>> > > my blog will be theology, gender and<BR>> > peace-and-justice issues, and scathing<BR>> > > critique of those who spew bigotry in the name of<BR>> > Christ.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > As a stay-at-home mom with a fairly useless BA<BR>> > from a quarter-century ago,<BR>> > > I may be "just a housewife" to some at the Kirk --<BR>> > but if I am a housewife,<BR>> > > I am a thundering one, and I can't be silent.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Keely<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>> http://www.fsr.net <BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR><BR></body>
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