[WSBARP] WSBARP Digest, Vol 59, Issue 21
Stephen Whitehouse
swhite8893 at aol.com
Thu Aug 29 12:09:42 PDT 2019
Tim, Work for rent agreements can really be a problem. You have to be able to specifically indicate what is to be done and when. It is hard to do that without creating a lot of wiggle room where the tenant claims to have done what was supposed to be done, but really hasn't. You are needing to create very objective criteria. I have seen too many of these go bad. I would tell the landlord to not do it unless he/she knows the tenant extremely well and absolutely trusts the tenant. No contract is going to protect the landlord if the tenant is a problem.
Steve
Stephen WhitehouseWhitehouse & Nichols, LLPP.O. Box 1273601 W. Railroad Ave.Shelton, Wa. 98584360-426-5885
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3. Re: Referral for Real Estate Attorney in Oakland, CA
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4. Re: Residential Lease/provisions for work-for-rent
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:15:25 -0700
From: Roger Moss <ram at pacific-ci.com>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Referral for Real Estate Attorney in Oakland, CA
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I?m in the air to Oakland now, and connected to many local real estate attorneys. Feel free to give your client my info. In the meantime, have them contact Margaret Allen in Berkeley, partner in a boutique landlord firm. BFC-Legal.com.
Roger A. Moss
Pacific Conflict Intervention
415.371.9724 San Francisco
206.790.1971 Seattle
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Dictated in motion
> On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Synthia Melton <synthia at dimensionlaw.com> wrote:
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> Hello Listmates,
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> I am seeking a referral for a real estate attorney in Oakland. The client needs assistance with an audit the City is conducting on her rental property. Thank you!
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> Respectfully,
>
> SYNTHIA A. MELTON | PARTNER | DIMENSION LAW GROUP PLLC
> 130 Andover Park East, Suite 300 | Tukwila, WA 98188
> t: 206.973.3500 | f: 206.577.5090| e: synthia at dimensionlaw.com| www.dimensionlaw.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:17:43 -0700
From: <scott at scottgthomaslaw.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Residential Lease/provisions for work-for-rent
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Tim -
I don't have an agreement like this but as you describe it, this sounds like
it could also be an employment agreement. If that is true, then you may
also wish to consider topics such as minimum wage requirements, termination
in the event of disability or injury, potential discrimination issues, and
all the other things that should be addressed in an employment relationship.
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On Behalf Of Timothy Lehr
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:57 AM
To: wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com
Subject: [WSBARP] Residential Lease/provisions for work-for-rent
All,
I'm hoping to see if anyone has a basic template residential lease
agreement, with or without the added special circumstances.
LL is renting living quarters on property to T. LL is paying all utilities
of living quarters and also paying T a wage for "caretaking" and work
related to the property. Property is multiple acres with horses, livestock
etc. T will be "working the land" in lieu of paying monthly rental payments.
Lease would be month to month to allow for LL and T to end relationship on
20 days-notice. I want to make sure the agreement falls under RCW 59.18.
Thanks for any help!
Timothy C. Lehr
Attorney at Law
Stiles Law Inc., P.S.
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:53:46 +0000
From: Hamilton Gardiner <Hamilton at lawhg.net>
To: WSBA Real Property Listserv <wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Referral for Real Estate Attorney in Oakland, CA
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I would recommend they call:
ANTHONY F. BASILE / Attorney at Law
legalteam / Casas Riley Simonian llp
55 North 3rd Street, Campbell, CA 95008
tel 650 . 948 . 7200 / fax 650 . 948 . 7220
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From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> On Behalf Of Synthia Melton
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:59 AM
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Subject: [WSBARP] Referral for Real Estate Attorney in Oakland, CA
Hello Listmates,
I am seeking a referral for a real estate attorney in Oakland. The client needs assistance with an audit the City is conducting on her rental property. Thank you!
Respectfully,
SYNTHIA A. MELTON | PARTNER | DIMENSION LAW GROUP PLLC
130 Andover Park East, Suite 300 | Tukwila, WA 98188
t: 206.973.3500 | f: 206.577.5090| e: synthia at dimensionlaw.com|<mailto:synthia at dimensionlaw.com|> www.dimensionlaw.com<http://www.dimensionlaw.com>
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:42:57 +0000
From: "Flatt, Danielle F." <Flatt at ryanlaw.com>
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Subject: Re: [WSBARP] Residential Lease/provisions for work-for-rent
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RCW 59.18.040 lists the 8 types of living arrangements that are exempt from the RLTA (RCW 59.18).
Danielle F. Flatt
Attorney
Ryan, Swanson & Cleveland, PLLC
1201 Third Avenue, Suite 3400 | Seattle WA 98101-3034
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Tim -
I don't have an agreement like this but as you describe it, this sounds like it could also be an employment agreement. If that is true, then you may also wish to consider topics such as minimum wage requirements, termination in the event of disability or injury, potential discrimination issues, and all the other things that should be addressed in an employment relationship.
From: wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com> <wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>> On Behalf Of Timothy Lehr
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:57 AM
To: wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com<mailto:wsbarp at lists.wsbarppt.com>
Subject: [WSBARP] Residential Lease/provisions for work-for-rent
All,
I'm hoping to see if anyone has a basic template residential lease agreement, with or without the added special circumstances.
LL is renting living quarters on property to T. LL is paying all utilities of living quarters and also paying T a wage for "caretaking" and work related to the property. Property is multiple acres with horses, livestock etc. T will be "working the land" in lieu of paying monthly rental payments. Lease would be month to month to allow for LL and T to end relationship on 20 days-notice. I want to make sure the agreement falls under RCW 59.18.
Thanks for any help!
Timothy C. Lehr
Attorney at Law
Stiles Law Inc., P.S.
p: 360.855.0131
e: timothy at stileslaw.com<mailto:timothy at stileslaw.com>
w: www.stileslaw.com<http://www.stileslaw.com>
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