[WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture

[Kirsten Samwel]

This is one of the best threads I have read.  Thanks for the giggle.

Kirsten A. Samwel
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Jayne Gilbert <jgilbertatty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Come on Kate you can do it!!!!
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Kate Szurek <kate at skagitlaw.com> wrote:
>
>>  She’s a very young thing.  Has only barely made it into her 50s, I
>> believe.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I were as young as she, I’d be adding a goofy-faced emoticon right now
>> . . .
>>
>>
>>
>> Kate
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [mailto:
>> wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Stuen
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:33 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks guilty of flaunting technological ability.  Creates doubt about the
>> seniority of the author.
>>
>> Luditely yours, Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [
>> mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] *On Behalf Of *Felicia Value,
>> Attorney at Law
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:11 PM
>> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv
>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture
>>
>>
>>
>> It warms my heart to see attorneys taking a deep breath and diving into
>> solve this client’s puzzle.  I [image: Red heart]lawyers.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* John J. Sullivan <sullaw at comcast.net>
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:45 PM
>>
>> *To:* WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv <wsbapt at lists.wsbarppt.com>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture
>>
>>
>>
>> Leave it in trust with a reversion to the grantors if they return within
>> the 8 year period?
>>
>>
>>
>> John Sullivan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Jim Doran <jim at doranlegal.com> wrote:
>>
>>  This is one for the books.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hallelujah!
>>
>>
>>
>> James R. Doran
>>
>> Attorney at Law
>>
>> 100 E. Pine Street – Suite 205
>>
>> Bellingham, WA 98225
>>
>> (360)393-9506
>>
>> jim at doranlegal.com
>>
>> www.doranlegal.com
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>>
>>
>> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [
>> mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dan J. Cadagan III
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:23 AM
>> *To:* 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'
>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture
>>
>>
>>
>> But the REAL question for the client is, who are they going to name in
>> their will to be the PR, or in their DPA to be their A/F?  It will need to
>> be someone they think is going to be left behind, who is not a good enough
>> person to go on this Rapture cruise; i.e., some scuzball.  Or it could be
>> an attorney, because I’m sure that, in their opinion, there isn’t a
>> snowball’s chance in hell that any of us attorneys are going to heaven on
>> this cruise.  Interesting dilemma.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Dan J. Cadagan III*
>>
>> Attorney at Law
>>
>> Spokane, WA
>>
>> 1-509-744-3440
>>
>> Dan at CadaganLaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com [
>> mailto:wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com
>> <wsbapt-bounces at lists.wsbarppt.com>] *On Behalf Of *Krista MacLaren
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:48 AM
>> *To:* wsba probate & trust
>> *Subject:* Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture
>>
>>
>>
>> As a practical matter, would the person left behind to deal with the
>> clients’ property be expected to maintain their home in its vacant state
>> for a full 8 years?  I guess this would be a situation where there is no
>> proof of death, but it seems like it would be important for the client to
>> realize that this may cause them to come back to a bankrupt estate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Krista MacLaren
>> Attorney at Law
>> Northgate Executive Center II
>> 9725 3rd Ave NE, Suite 600
>> Seattle WA 98115
>> (206) 523-6116
>>
>>
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>>  On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Heather deVrieze <
>> heatherd at westseattlelaw.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Had a client today inform me that he believed that the Rapture would soon
>> be upon us (in the next year or three) and that he and his wife would
>> suddenly just be missing, along with many of their beneficiaries and
>> designated fiduciaries. Following the scriptures they would return to earth
>> after its 7 years of trials and tribulations and that he wouldn’t want any
>> presumption of death to distribute all of his assets to the remaining
>> (non-raptured) beneficiaries in that time frame.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wanting to respect the client despite any of my own personal views of his
>> position, I was pondering perhaps including a provision in the POA and in
>> the Will that might require an 8 year waiting period, instead of the 5 year
>> presumption under 11.80.080, before distributing the estate. (In the event
>> that I am missing and there is no physical proof of my death, I direct my
>> Personal Representative/Attorney-in-fact to wait a period of at least 8
>> years from the date that I went missing before administering my estate and
>> distributing it under 11.80.080.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Heather
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Heather S. de Vrieze
>> *Attorney-at-Law*
>>
>> *<image001.jpg>*
>>
>> 3909 California Avenue SW
>>
>> Seattle, WA 98116-3705
>>
>> (206)938-5500
>>
>> heatherd at westseattlelaw.com
>>
>> www.westseattlelaw.com
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>>
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>> *Click here to connect with de Vrieze | Carney on Facebook:   *
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