<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This is one of the best threads I have read. Thanks for the giggle. </div><img width="0" height="0" class="mailtrack-img" src="https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/edbd72e1ceafe53e1425c5482bd3bca1eeb5a079.png"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Kirsten A. Samwel</div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Jayne Gilbert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgilbertatty@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgilbertatty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Come on Kate you can do it!!!!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Kate Szurek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kate@skagitlaw.com" target="_blank">kate@skagitlaw.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">She’s a very young thing. Has only barely made it into her 50s, I believe.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">If I were as young as she, I’d be adding a goofy-faced emoticon right now . . .<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Kate<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Stuen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:33 PM</span></p><div><div><br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Looks guilty of flaunting technological ability. Creates doubt about the seniority of the author.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Luditely yours, Tom <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Felicia Value, Attorney at Law<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">It warms my heart to see attorneys taking a deep breath and diving into solve this client’s puzzle. I
<img border="0" width="19" height="19" src="cid:image001.png@01D0B99E.D52FB7F0" alt="Red heart">lawyers.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:sullaw@comcast.net" title="sullaw@comcast.net" target="_blank">John J. Sullivan</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:45 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" title="wsbapt@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning
for the Rapture<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Leave it in trust with a reversion to the grantors if they return within the 8 year period?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">John Sullivan<br>
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On Jul 8, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Jim Doran <<a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" target="_blank">jim@doranlegal.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d">This is one for the books.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d">Hallelujah!</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d">James R. Doran</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1f497d">Attorney at Law</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">100 E. Pine Street – Suite 205</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d">Bellingham, WA 98225</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%28360%29393-9506" value="+13603939506" target="_blank">(360)393-9506</a></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:jim@doranlegal.com" target="_blank">jim@doranlegal.com</a></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black">
<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a> [<a href="mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com" target="_blank">mailto:wsbapt-bounces@lists.wsbarppt.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan J. Cadagan III<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'WSBA Probate & Trust Listserv'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">But the REAL question for the client is, who are they going to name in their will to be the PR, or in their DPA to be their A/F? It will need to be someone they think is going to be left behind, who is not a
good enough person to go on this Rapture cruise; i.e., some scuzball. Or it could be an attorney, because I’m sure that, in their opinion, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that any of us attorneys are going to heaven on this cruise. Interesting dilemma.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dan J. Cadagan III</span></b><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Attorney at Law</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Spokane, WA</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:1-509-744-3440" value="+15097443440" target="_blank">1-509-744-3440</a></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:Dan@CadaganLaw.com" target="_blank">Dan@CadaganLaw.com</a></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista MacLaren<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 08, 2015 9:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> wsba probate & trust<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSBAPT] Estate Planning for the Rapture</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">As a practical matter, would the person left behind to deal with the clients’ property be expected to maintain their home in its vacant state for a full 8 years? I guess this would be a situation where there is
no proof of death, but it seems like it would be important for the client to realize that this may cause them to come back to a bankrupt estate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Krista MacLaren<br>
Attorney at Law<br>
Northgate Executive Center II<br>
9725 3rd Ave NE, Suite 600<br>
Seattle WA 98115<br>
<a href="tel:%28206%29%20523-6116" value="+12065236116" target="_blank">(206) 523-6116</a></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Jul 7, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Heather deVrieze <<a href="mailto:heatherd@westseattlelaw.com" target="_blank">heatherd@westseattlelaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Had a client today inform me that he believed that the Rapture would soon be upon us (in the next year or three) and that he and his wife would suddenly just be missing, along with many of their beneficiaries and
designated fiduciaries. Following the scriptures they would return to earth after its 7 years of trials and tribulations and that he wouldn’t want any presumption of death to distribute all of his assets to the remaining (non-raptured) beneficiaries in that
time frame. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Wanting to respect the client despite any of my own personal views of his position, I was pondering perhaps including a provision in the POA and in the Will that might require an 8 year waiting period, instead
of the 5 year presumption under 11.80.080, before distributing the estate. (In the event that I am missing and there is no physical proof of my death, I direct my Personal Representative/Attorney-in-fact to wait a period of at least 8 years from the date that
I went missing before administering my estate and distributing it under 11.80.080.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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