[Vision2020] Guns and puppies

[Gary Crabtree]

FYI, I don't know if it's something you did or a fix implemented by First
Step but your posts are no longer being flagged by my spam filter. They are
back to showing up the same as everyone else's.

g


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>wrote:

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> How do the professors know this now?
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> Paul
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> On 05/26/2014 12:30 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
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> How would the professors know if students are carrying a concealed weapons
> (whether legally or illegally)?  Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?
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> From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
> To: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; nielsen at uidaho.edu
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
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>  Well, I don’t suppose we should expect you to be logically coherent *or*honest, should we?
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> A professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with someone carrying
> a firearm is absolutely NO different than a pharmacist refusing to sell
> legal contraceptives or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical
> service, and I think you know that.  And, it’s certainly no different than
> the so-called conscience clause “legal discrimination” laws the GOP & TPers
> have been working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the sane
> amongst us.
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> But, acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite most of us
> already know you to be.  So, go ahead, Gary . . . break out of your mold
> and give *honesty* a try!
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> *From:* Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com<moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>]
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> *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM
> *To:* Saundra Lund
> *Cc:* Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu); vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
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> Professors do have a "conscience clause." They are not forced to carry and
> they are free to never go any place that they fear a firearm might be.
> Conscience protection affects what you do, not what others do. Such a
> clause protects a pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants but
> does not prevent his customers from acquiring them elsewhere or even
> possessing/using them in his presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's
> life in the womb but he can't force a woman to carry it to term. It would
> seem that a great many folks most enjoy rules, laws, & clauses when there
> is an outcome that can be inflicted on others.
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> g
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> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
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> I read something about that, too.  I know there are always two sides to
> every story, but I was disappointed at the roadblocks being thrown up
> for such a worthy project.
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> With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought up what I thought
> was an interesting point:  why don't professors have conscience clause
> protection?  I mean, the GOP is all for conscience clauses in all kinds
> of insane situations, so why don't they extend that to professors?  That
> would actually make a lot more sense than all the arenas where the GOP
> advocates them.
>
> But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't it:  it would make
> sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern" GOP and TPers seem to
> exhibit very often.
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> Saundra
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> On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu)
> wrote:
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> > I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that puppies-in-training for guide
> > dogs will not be permitted in University of Idaho classrooms because they
> > might become dangerous to the students.
> >
> > How about a compromise here? Since guns will now be allowed in the same
> > classrooms, couldn’t we depend on those students carrying guns to shoot
> > any puppy that shows signs of becoming dangerous?
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