[Vision2020] Guns and puppies

[Paul Rumelhart]

How do the professors know this now?

Paul

On 05/26/2014 12:30 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
> How would the professors know if students are carrying a concealed 
> weapons (whether legally or illegally)? Metal detectors at the 
> classroom entrances?
>
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> From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
> To: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; nielsen at uidaho.edu
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
>
> Well, I don't suppose we should expect you to be logically coherent 
> *or* honest, should we?
>
> A professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with someone 
> carrying a firearm is absolutely NO different than a pharmacist 
> refusing to sell legal contraceptives or a doctor refusing to provide 
> a legal medical service, and I think you know that.  And, it's 
> certainly no different than the so-called conscience clause "legal 
> discrimination" laws the GOP & TPers have been working overtime to try 
> to ram down the throats of the sane amongst us.
>
> But, acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite most of 
> us already know you to be.  So, go ahead, Gary . . . break out of your 
> mold and give *honesty* a try!
>
> S
>
> *From:*Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM
> *To:* Saundra Lund
> *Cc:* Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu); vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
>
> Professors do have a "conscience clause." They are not forced to carry 
> and they are free to never go any place that they fear a firearm might 
> be. Conscience protection affects what you do, not what others do. 
> Such a clause protects a pharmacist from being forced to sell 
> abortafactants but does not prevent his customers from acquiring them 
> elsewhere or even possessing/using them in his presence. A doctor can 
> refuse to end a child's life in the womb but he can't force a woman to 
> carry it to term. It would seem that a great many folks most enjoy 
> rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome that can be inflicted 
> on others.
>
> g
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm 
> <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>> wrote:
>
>     I read something about that, too.  I know there are always two
>     sides to
>     every story, but I was disappointed at the roadblocks being thrown up
>     for such a worthy project.
>
>     With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought up what I thought
>     was an interesting point:  why don't professors have conscience clause
>     protection?  I mean, the GOP is all for conscience clauses in all
>     kinds
>     of insane situations, so why don't they extend that to professors?
>      That
>     would actually make a lot more sense than all the arenas where the GOP
>     advocates them.
>
>     But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't it:  it would make
>     sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern" GOP and TPers
>     seem to
>     exhibit very often.
>
>
>     Saundra
>
>     On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph
>     (nielsen at uidaho.edu <mailto:nielsen at uidaho.edu>)
>     wrote:
>     >
>     > I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that puppies-in-training
>     for guide
>     > dogs will not be permitted in University of Idaho classrooms
>     because they
>     > might become dangerous to the students.
>     >
>     > How about a compromise here? Since guns will now be allowed in
>     the same
>     > classrooms, couldn't we depend on those students carrying guns
>     to shoot
>     > any puppy that shows signs of becoming dangerous?
>     >
>     >
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