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      How do the professors know this now?<br>
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      Paul<br>
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      On 05/26/2014 12:30 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">How would the professors know if students are
        carrying a concealed weapons (whether legally or illegally)? 
        Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?<br>
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a><br>
          Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700<br>
          CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a><br>
          Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies<br>
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            <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Well,
                I don’t suppose we should expect you to be logically
                coherent <b>or</b> honest, should we?</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">A
                professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with
                someone carrying a firearm is absolutely NO different
                than a pharmacist refusing to sell legal contraceptives
                or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical service,
                and I think you know that.  And, it’s certainly no
                different than the so-called conscience clause “legal
                discrimination” laws the GOP & TPers have been
                working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the
                sane amongst us.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
            <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">But,
                acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite
                most of us already know you to be.  So, go ahead, Gary .
                . . break out of your mold and give <b>honesty</b> a
                try!</span></p>
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            <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
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                Gary Crabtree [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com">mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>] <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Nielsen, Ralph (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>);
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies</span></p>
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                <p class="ecxMsoNormal">Professors do have a "conscience
                  clause." They are not forced to carry and they are
                  free to never go any place that they fear a firearm
                  might be. Conscience protection affects what you do,
                  not what others do. Such a clause protects a
                  pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants
                  but does not prevent his customers from acquiring them
                  elsewhere or even possessing/using them in his
                  presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's life in
                  the womb but he can't force a woman to carry it to
                  term. It would seem that a great many folks most enjoy
                  rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome
                  that can be inflicted on others.</p>
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                <p class="ecxMsoNormal">On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44
                  PM, Saundra Lund <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>>
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                  <p class="ecxMsoNormal">I read something about that,
                    too.  I know there are always two sides to<br>
                    every story, but I was disappointed at the
                    roadblocks being thrown up<br>
                    for such a worthy project.<br>
                    <br>
                    With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought
                    up what I thought<br>
                    was an interesting point:  why don't professors have
                    conscience clause<br>
                    protection?  I mean, the GOP is all for conscience
                    clauses in all kinds<br>
                    of insane situations, so why don't they extend that
                    to professors?  That<br>
                    would actually make a lot more sense than all the
                    arenas where the GOP<br>
                    advocates them.<br>
                    <br>
                    But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't
                    it:  it would make<br>
                    sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern"
                    GOP and TPers seem to<br>
                    exhibit very often.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Saundra<br>
                    <br>
                    On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>)<br>
                    wrote:<br>
                    ><br>
                    > I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that
                    puppies-in-training for guide<br>
                    > dogs will not be permitted in University of
                    Idaho classrooms because they<br>
                    > might become dangerous to the students.<br>
                    ><br>
                    > How about a compromise here? Since guns will
                    now be allowed in the same<br>
                    > classrooms, couldn’t we depend on those
                    students carrying guns to shoot<br>
                    > any puppy that shows signs of becoming
                    dangerous?<br>
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