<div dir="ltr"><div>FYI, I don't know if it's something you did or a fix implemented by First Step but your posts are no longer being flagged by my spam filter. They are back to showing up the same as everyone else's.</div>
<div><br></div><div>g</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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How do the professors know this now?<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 05/26/2014 12:30 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">How would the professors know if students are
carrying a concealed weapons (whether legally or illegally)?Â
Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?<br>
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<hr>From: <a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a><br>
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700<br>
CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies<br>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Well,
I don’t suppose we should expect you to be logically
coherent <b>or</b> honest, should we?</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A
professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with
someone carrying a firearm is absolutely NO different
than a pharmacist refusing to sell legal contraceptives
or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical service,
and I think you know that. And, it’s certainly no
different than the so-called conscience clause “legal
discrimination†laws the GOP & TPers have been
working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the
sane amongst us.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Â </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">But,
acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite
most of us already know you to be. So, go ahead, Gary .
. . break out of your mold and give <b>honesty</b> a
try!</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Â </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">
Gary Crabtree [<a href="mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nielsen, Ralph (<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>);
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies</span></p>
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<p>Professors do have a "conscience
clause." They are not forced to carry and they are
free to never go any place that they fear a firearm
might be. Conscience protection affects what you do,
not what others do. Such a clause protects a
pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants
but does not prevent his customers from acquiring them
elsewhere or even possessing/using them in his
presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's life in
the womb but he can't force a woman to carry it to
term. It would seem that a great many folks most enjoy
rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome
that can be inflicted on others.</p>
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<p>On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44
PM, Saundra Lund <<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>>
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<p>I read something about that,
too. Â I know there are always two sides to<br>
every story, but I was disappointed at the
roadblocks being thrown up<br>
for such a worthy project.<br>
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With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought
up what I thought<br>
was an interesting point: Â why don't professors have
conscience clause<br>
protection? Â I mean, the GOP is all for conscience
clauses in all kinds<br>
of insane situations, so why don't they extend that
to professors? Â That<br>
would actually make a lot more sense than all the
arenas where the GOP<br>
advocates them.<br>
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But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't
it: Â it would make<br>
sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern"
GOP and TPers seem to<br>
exhibit very often.<br>
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Saundra<br>
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On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (<a href="mailto:nielsen@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">nielsen@uidaho.edu</a>)<br>
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> I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that
puppies-in-training for guide<br>
> dogs will not be permitted in University of
Idaho classrooms because they<br>
> might become dangerous to the students.<br>
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> How about a compromise here? Since guns will
now be allowed in the same<br>
> classrooms, couldn’t we depend on those
students carrying guns to shoot<br>
> any puppy that shows signs of becoming
dangerous?<br>
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