[Vision2020] Guns and puppies

[Paul Rumelhart]

I don't think it was anything I did.  Things I do usually break things.

Paul



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 From: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Nielsen, Ralph" <nielsen at uidaho.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
 


FYI, I don't know if it's something you did or a fix implemented by First Step but your posts are no longer being flagged by my spam filter. They are back to showing up the same as everyone else's.

g



On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:


>How do the professors know this now?
>
>Paul
>
>On 05/26/2014 12:30 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
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>How would the professors know if students are carrying a concealed weapons (whether legally or illegally)?  Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?
>>
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>>________________________________
>>From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
>>To: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
>>Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700
>>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; nielsen at uidaho.edu
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
>>
>>
>>Well, I don’t suppose we should expect you to be logically coherent or honest, should we?
>> 
>>A professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with someone carrying a firearm is absolutely NO different than a pharmacist refusing to sell legal contraceptives or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical service, and I think you know that.  And, it’s certainly no different than the so-called conscience clause “legal discrimination” laws the GOP & TPers have been working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the sane amongst us.
>> 
>>But, acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite most of us already know you to be.  So, go ahead, Gary . . . break out of your mold and give honesty a try!
>> 
>>S
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>> 
>>From:Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com] 
>>Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM
>>To: Saundra Lund
>>Cc: Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu); vision2020 at moscow.com
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies
>> 
>>Professors do have a "conscience clause." They are not forced to carry and they are free to never go any place that they fear a firearm might be. Conscience protection affects what you do, not what others do. Such a clause protects a pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants but does not prevent his customers from acquiring them elsewhere or even possessing/using them in his presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's life in the womb but he can't force a woman to carry it to term. It would seem that a great many folks most enjoy rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome that can be inflicted on others.
>> 
>>g
>> 
>>On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>I read something about that, too.  I know there are always two sides to
>>>every story, but I was disappointed at the
                    roadblocks being thrown up
>>>for such a worthy project.
>>>
>>>With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought
                    up what I thought
>>>was an interesting point:  why don't professors have
                    conscience clause
>>>protection?  I mean, the GOP is all for conscience
                    clauses in all kinds
>>>of insane situations, so why don't they extend that
                    to professors?  That
>>>would actually make a lot more sense than all the
                    arenas where the GOP
>>>advocates them.
>>>
>>>But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't
                    it:  it would make
>>>sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern"
                    GOP and TPers seem to
>>>exhibit very often.
>>>
>>>
>>>Saundra
>>>
>>>On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu)
>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that
                    puppies-in-training for guide
>>>> dogs will not be permitted in University of
                    Idaho classrooms because they
>>>> might become dangerous to the students.
>>>>
>>>> How about a compromise here? Since guns will
                    now be allowed in the same
>>>> classrooms, couldn’t we depend on those
                    students carrying guns to shoot
>>>> any puppy that shows signs of becoming
                    dangerous?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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