[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 86

Tue Nov 12 22:10:15 PST 2013

Ummm, Gary?  I at least know that it was not I who made the comparison to Birmingham, and, whether I would agree with it or not, it makes no sense to quote at length from my words and then snark out over someone else's.  

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

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>    3. Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89,	Issue 72 (once and for all - at
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> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:24:18 -0800
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Keely Emerine-Mix
> 	<siyocreo at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72
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> Heck!  Neil Diamond makes a better pastor than His Whineyness . . .
> 
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/songs/songparts/NeilDiamond_Sermon.mp3
>  
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> 
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>   
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> 
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still 
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> 
> - John Lennon
>  
> 
> 
> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > You need not fret and fervently spout your simpering accord, I'm sure
> > that she who knows whereof she speaks thinks that YOUR bumper stickers
> > are sincere.
> > 
> > g
> > 
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >> If only it weren't so painfully and ignorantly true, g.
> >> 
> >> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >> 
> >> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> >> http://www.MoscowCares.com
> >> 
> >> Tom Hansen
> >> Moscow, Idaho
> >> 
> >> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> >> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> >> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >> 
> >> - John Lennon
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> "It angers me that, in the name of "liberalism" and "tolerance," the
> >> voices in Moscow who most want us to believe that they're opposed to
> >> racism, homophobia, sexism, and the rank classism that chokes this
> >> town remain silent when a racist, homophobic, masculinist hater of
> >> community and democracy announces plans to take it over."
> >> 
> >> Moscow as Birmingham circa 1955? Hysterical (in every sense)
> >> 
> >> g
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I agree, Rose, with your disgust toward so many of Moscow's "liberals."
> >> 
> >> 
> >> When bad judgment, tunnel vision, and a poor understanding of politics,
> >> 
> >> coupled with an inability to anticipate, much less respond to, opposing
> >> 
> >> arguments, are all enshrined as virtues, you don't win elections.  The
> >> 
> >> better mayoral candidate lost, and probably needn't have.  But when the
> >> 
> >> leaders of the Latah Democrats don't have to even feign astonishment that
> >> 
> >> there are people out there whose lives are radically different from theirs
> >> 
> >> -- they really DON'T seem to get it, as I learned in 2005 during he school
> >> 
> >> bond election -- no one ought to be surprised.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm dismayed by the all-white, all-male slate put up by the GMA, since, as
> >> 
> >> Saundra pointed out, there are a number of "pro-business" women out there,
> >> 
> >> just as Moscow likely has pro-business people of color.  What really dismays
> >> 
> >> me, though, is that the Democrats don't seem to grasp the importance of
> >> 
> >> reaching out and understanding the concerns of the business community -- or
> >> 
> >> the people who support it.  I don't blame Nancy Chaney for the loss, for
> >> 
> >> example, of Moscow's car dealerships, and I think it's unfair for others to.
> >> 
> >> But a party run at the local level by people who can't grasp the reality
> >> 
> >> that subdivision dwellers do, in fact, consider themselves to be part of
> >> 
> >> neighborhoods -- regardless of the sociological definition our academics
> >> 
> >> employ -- and who refuse to see the anti-business effect of Moscow's
> >> 
> >> poor-quality school buildings, and who laud themselves for their tolerance
> >> 
> >> of the utterly intolerable, is a party that won't just lose elections, but
> >> 
> >> lose the support of its community, which will rightly dismiss them as
> > 
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> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:14:48 -0800
> From: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Keely Emerine-Mix
> 	<siyocreo at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72
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> 
> "I am, I said/ To no one there/ And no one heard at all/ Not even the chair"
> 
> I'm thinking that Doug has no reason to be vexed. From Neil nor
> fervent intoleristas each doing there fervent best to out earnest the
> next...cha, cha, cha...
> 
> g
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> > Heck!  Neil Diamond makes a better pastor than His Whineyness . . .
> >
> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/songs/songparts/NeilDiamond_Sermon.mp3
> >
> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> > - John Lennon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > You need not fret and fervently spout your simpering accord, I'm sure
> > that she who knows whereof she speaks thinks that YOUR bumper stickers
> > are sincere.
> >
> > g
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> > If only it weren't so painfully and ignorantly true, g.
> >
> >
> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> >
> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> >
> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
> >
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> >
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> >
> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> >
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> >
> > - John Lennon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > "It angers me that, in the name of "liberalism" and "tolerance," the
> >
> > voices in Moscow who most want us to believe that they're opposed to
> >
> > racism, homophobia, sexism, and the rank classism that chokes this
> >
> > town remain silent when a racist, homophobic, masculinist hater of
> >
> > community and democracy announces plans to take it over."
> >
> >
> > Moscow as Birmingham circa 1955? Hysterical (in every sense)
> >
> >
> > g
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I agree, Rose, with your disgust toward so many of Moscow's "liberals."
> >
> >
> >
> > When bad judgment, tunnel vision, and a poor understanding of politics,
> >
> >
> > coupled with an inability to anticipate, much less respond to, opposing
> >
> >
> > arguments, are all enshrined as virtues, you don't win elections.  The
> >
> >
> > better mayoral candidate lost, and probably needn't have.  But when the
> >
> >
> > leaders of the Latah Democrats don't have to even feign astonishment that
> >
> >
> > there are people out there whose lives are radically different from theirs
> >
> >
> > -- they really DON'T seem to get it, as I learned in 2005 during he school
> >
> >
> > bond election -- no one ought to be surprised.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm dismayed by the all-white, all-male slate put up by the GMA, since, as
> >
> >
> > Saundra pointed out, there are a number of "pro-business" women out there,
> >
> >
> > just as Moscow likely has pro-business people of color.  What really dismays
> >
> >
> > me, though, is that the Democrats don't seem to grasp the importance of
> >
> >
> > reaching out and understanding the concerns of the business community -- or
> >
> >
> > the people who support it.  I don't blame Nancy Chaney for the loss, for
> >
> >
> > example, of Moscow's car dealerships, and I think it's unfair for others to.
> >
> >
> > But a party run at the local level by people who can't grasp the reality
> >
> >
> > that subdivision dwellers do, in fact, consider themselves to be part of
> >
> >
> > neighborhoods -- regardless of the sociological definition our academics
> >
> >
> > employ -- and who refuse to see the anti-business effect of Moscow's
> >
> >
> > poor-quality school buildings, and who laud themselves for their tolerance
> >
> >
> > of the utterly intolerable, is a party that won't just lose elections, but
> >
> >
> > lose the support of its community, which will rightly dismiss them as
> >
> >
> > =======================================================
> > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >               http://www.fsr.net
> >          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> > =======================================================
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:22:11 -0800
> From: "Rosemary Huskey" <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>
> To: "'Gary Crabtree'" <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>,
> 	<vision2020 at moscow.com>, "'Keely Emerine-Mix'" <siyocreo at live.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89,	Issue 72 (once and
> 	for all - at least for the rest of this day)
> Message-ID: <00c401cee00e$cd9856c0$68c90440$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
>  
> 
> I didn't intend to imply that Moscow resembles Birmingham, Alabama. One need
> only walk down the street or go to Winco and realize that Moscow does not
> include more than a nominally diverse population.  When seeing a person of
> color is a welcome surprise and noticeable because it is not ordinary ? we
> should automatically recognize our locally limited experience with
> multiculturalism. None the less, I get all there is to know about breathing
> while brown or black in Moscow, and by extension the rest of Idaho.
> 
>  
> 
> Hysterical, Gary?  Please. Hysterical accurately describes the ignorant
> local tea party, Project Liberty, home schooling ninnies who think Faux News
> is an ethically professional news outlet, President Obama is going to take
> their guns away, and Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman are thoughtful,
> intelligent, politicos.  Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my remarks.  Here
> is the connect-the-dots version (not for your sake since I do know you got
> what I was saying).  
> 
>  
> 
> Whether one is in contemporary or historic Birmingham, Vichy, or Moscow,
> Idaho inherited economic privilege and educational access coupled with
> convenient entr?e to power (mighty or miniscule) is the source of unearned
> privilege used by 2% of the population at the expense of the other 98%. In
> short, raising chickens in the back yard and hiking all the trails in back
> country Idaho does not and will never balance the equation of living off
> Mama (or Grampa's) money by wine sipping, cheese sniffing, name dropping,
> nanny employing, local latte sipping liberals. Masquerading as Louise
> Dickinson Rich (if you haven?t read We Took to The Woods please do.  It is
> the real deal story of life in the backwoods of Maine in the late 1930s into
> the 2nd World War and it is one of my all time top ten books.) doesn?t make
> members of a pretentious, little clique genuine, interesting, or likable.
> It does almost make them precious (in an inappropriate kind of way).  And
> herein lies the problem.
> 
>  
> 
> Hobbies are not professions. Integrity is not a value which relies on a
> moral compass that vacillates between personal convenience and
> pseudo-toleration of jackasses with hate filled agendas.  High school mean
> girls do become adult bullies ? and we all know who they are.  Genuine,
> committed Democratic organizations are inclusive, work to educate the public
> on issues, hold regular voter registration drives, celebrate equality, and
> support their candidates with money and volunteer labor ? even in
> ?technically? non-partisan races.  
> 
>  
> 
> While Doug Wilson et al are a spiritual and political blight on the
> community the crowd described at length in the previous paragraph are
> equally disgusting, if not as numerous.  They willingly give Doug and his
> congregants cover and protection ? and he plays these collaborating patsys
> like a skilled fisherman with a trout on a barbless hook. 
> 
>  
> 
> You know, Gary, I am not referring to hard working, intellectually honest
> folks who have genuine disagreements with me over everything from politics
> to religion.  Good on them, they make me think and rethink ? which is always
> a valuable process (at least for me).  But, I am fed up to my hind teeth
> with the phony foolishness and whining oozing from the lethargic, lazy left
> in Moscow.
> 
>  
> 
> Rose
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:55 AM
> To: Keely Emerine-Mix
> Cc: Rosemary Huskey; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72
> 
>  
> 
> "It angers me that, in the name of "liberalism" and "tolerance," the voices
> in Moscow who most want us to believe that they're opposed to racism,
> homophobia, sexism, and the rank classism that chokes this town remain
> silent when a racist, homophobic, masculinist hater of community and
> democracy announces plans to take it over."
> 
>  
> 
> Moscow as Birmingham circa 1955? Hysterical (in every sense)
> 
>  
> 
> g
> 
>  
> 
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