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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><font style="font-size:10pt;" face="Tahoma" size="2">Ummm, Gary? I at least know that it was not I who made the comparison to Birmingham, and, whether I would agree with it or not, it makes no sense to quote at length from my words and then snark out over someone else's. <br><br>Keely<br id="FontBreak"></font><br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br><br><br><div>> From: vision2020-request@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 86<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:22:40 -0800<br>> <br>> Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<br>> vision2020@moscow.com<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> vision2020-request@moscow.com<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> vision2020-owner@moscow.com<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72 (Tom Hansen)<br>> 2. Re: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72 (Gary Crabtree)<br>> 3. Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72 (once and for all - at<br>> least for the rest of this day) (Rosemary Huskey)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:24:18 -0800<br>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br>> To: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com><br>> Cc: "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com>, Keely Emerine-Mix<br>> <siyocreo@live.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72<br>> Message-ID: <02CBC251-CF4F-47B1-BC74-0578BF01A194@moscow.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>> <br>> Heck! Neil Diamond makes a better pastor than His Whineyness . . .<br>> <br>> http://www.tomandrodna.com/songs/songparts/NeilDiamond_Sermon.mp3<br>> <br>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br>> <br>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br>> http://www.MoscowCares.com<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still <br>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill <br>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<br>> <br>> - John Lennon<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > <br>> > You need not fret and fervently spout your simpering accord, I'm sure<br>> > that she who knows whereof she speaks thinks that YOUR bumper stickers<br>> > are sincere.<br>> > <br>> > g<br>> > <br>> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br>> >> If only it weren't so painfully and ignorantly true, g.<br>> >> <br>> >> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br>> >> <br>> >> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br>> >> http://www.MoscowCares.com<br>> >> <br>> >> Tom Hansen<br>> >> Moscow, Idaho<br>> >> <br>> >> "There's room at the top they are telling you still<br>> >> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill<br>> >> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<br>> >> <br>> >> - John Lennon<br>> >> <br>> >> <br>> >> <br>> >> On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> <br>> >> "It angers me that, in the name of "liberalism" and "tolerance," the<br>> >> voices in Moscow who most want us to believe that they're opposed to<br>> >> racism, homophobia, sexism, and the rank classism that chokes this<br>> >> town remain silent when a racist, homophobic, masculinist hater of<br>> >> community and democracy announces plans to take it over."<br>> >> <br>> >> Moscow as Birmingham circa 1955? Hysterical (in every sense)<br>> >> <br>> >> g<br>> >> <br>> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo@live.com><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >> <br>> >> I agree, Rose, with your disgust toward so many of Moscow's "liberals."<br>> >> <br>> >> <br>> >> When bad judgment, tunnel vision, and a poor understanding of politics,<br>> >> <br>> >> coupled with an inability to anticipate, much less respond to, opposing<br>> >> <br>> >> arguments, are all enshrined as virtues, you don't win elections. The<br>> >> <br>> >> better mayoral candidate lost, and probably needn't have. But when the<br>> >> <br>> >> leaders of the Latah Democrats don't have to even feign astonishment that<br>> >> <br>> >> there are people out there whose lives are radically different from theirs<br>> >> <br>> >> -- they really DON'T seem to get it, as I learned in 2005 during he school<br>> >> <br>> >> bond election -- no one ought to be surprised.<br>> >> <br>> >> <br>> >> I'm dismayed by the all-white, all-male slate put up by the GMA, since, as<br>> >> <br>> >> Saundra pointed out, there are a number of "pro-business" women out there,<br>> >> <br>> >> just as Moscow likely has pro-business people of color. What really dismays<br>> >> <br>> >> me, though, is that the Democrats don't seem to grasp the importance of<br>> >> <br>> >> reaching out and understanding the concerns of the business community -- or<br>> >> <br>> >> the people who support it. I don't blame Nancy Chaney for the loss, for<br>> >> <br>> >> example, of Moscow's car dealerships, and I think it's unfair for others to.<br>> >> <br>> >> But a party run at the local level by people who can't grasp the reality<br>> >> <br>> >> that subdivision dwellers do, in fact, consider themselves to be part of<br>> >> <br>> >> neighborhoods -- regardless of the sociological definition our academics<br>> >> <br>> >> employ -- and who refuse to see the anti-business effect of Moscow's<br>> >> <br>> >> poor-quality school buildings, and who laud themselves for their tolerance<br>> >> <br>> >> of the utterly intolerable, is a party that won't just lose elections, but<br>> >> <br>> >> lose the support of its community, which will rightly dismiss them as<br>> > <br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20131112/8fc1b137/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:14:48 -0800<br>> From: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com><br>> To: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><br>> Cc: "vision2020@moscow.com" <vision2020@moscow.com>, Keely Emerine-Mix<br>> <siyocreo@live.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAJd7R5RX0J8TmUdQEHDr+jiKVG=s6tD_tnwMSjfhKSab8x5tOw@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> "I am, I said/ To no one there/ And no one heard at all/ Not even the chair"<br>> <br>> I'm thinking that Doug has no reason to be vexed. From Neil nor<br>> fervent intoleristas each doing there fervent best to out earnest the<br>> next...cha, cha, cha...<br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br>> > Heck! Neil Diamond makes a better pastor than His Whineyness . . .<br>> ><br>> > http://www.tomandrodna.com/songs/songparts/NeilDiamond_Sermon.mp3<br>> ><br>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br>> ><br>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com<br>> ><br>> > Tom Hansen<br>> > Moscow, Idaho<br>> ><br>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still<br>> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill<br>> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<br>> ><br>> > - John Lennon<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> > You need not fret and fervently spout your simpering accord, I'm sure<br>> > that she who knows whereof she speaks thinks that YOUR bumper stickers<br>> > are sincere.<br>> ><br>> > g<br>> ><br>> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > If only it weren't so painfully and ignorantly true, g.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)<br>> ><br>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Tom Hansen<br>> ><br>> > Moscow, Idaho<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still<br>> ><br>> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill<br>> ><br>> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > - John Lennon<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com><br>> ><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > "It angers me that, in the name of "liberalism" and "tolerance," the<br>> ><br>> > voices in Moscow who most want us to believe that they're opposed to<br>> ><br>> > racism, homophobia, sexism, and the rank classism that chokes this<br>> ><br>> > town remain silent when a racist, homophobic, masculinist hater of<br>> ><br>> > community and democracy announces plans to take it over."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Moscow as Birmingham circa 1955? Hysterical (in every sense)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > g<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo@live.com><br>> ><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I agree, Rose, with your disgust toward so many of Moscow's "liberals."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > When bad judgment, tunnel vision, and a poor understanding of politics,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > coupled with an inability to anticipate, much less respond to, opposing<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > arguments, are all enshrined as virtues, you don't win elections. The<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > better mayoral candidate lost, and probably needn't have. But when the<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > leaders of the Latah Democrats don't have to even feign astonishment that<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > there are people out there whose lives are radically different from theirs<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > -- they really DON'T seem to get it, as I learned in 2005 during he school<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > bond election -- no one ought to be surprised.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I'm dismayed by the all-white, all-male slate put up by the GMA, since, as<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Saundra pointed out, there are a number of "pro-business" women out there,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > just as Moscow likely has pro-business people of color. What really dismays<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > me, though, is that the Democrats don't seem to grasp the importance of<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > reaching out and understanding the concerns of the business community -- or<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > the people who support it. I don't blame Nancy Chaney for the loss, for<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > example, of Moscow's car dealerships, and I think it's unfair for others to.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > But a party run at the local level by people who can't grasp the reality<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > that subdivision dwellers do, in fact, consider themselves to be part of<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > neighborhoods -- regardless of the sociological definition our academics<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > employ -- and who refuse to see the anti-business effect of Moscow's<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > poor-quality school buildings, and who laud themselves for their tolerance<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > of the utterly intolerable, is a party that won't just lose elections, but<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > lose the support of its community, which will rightly dismiss them as<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 17:22:11 -0800<br>> From: "Rosemary Huskey" <donaldrose@cpcinternet.com><br>> To: "'Gary Crabtree'" <moscowlocksmith@gmail.com>,<br>> <vision2020@moscow.com>, "'Keely Emerine-Mix'" <siyocreo@live.com><br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72 (once and<br>> for all - at least for the rest of this day)<br>> Message-ID: <00c401cee00e$cd9856c0$68c90440$@com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> Hi Gary,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> I didn't intend to imply that Moscow resembles Birmingham, Alabama. One need<br>> only walk down the street or go to Winco and realize that Moscow does not<br>> include more than a nominally diverse population. When seeing a person of<br>> color is a welcome surprise and noticeable because it is not ordinary ? we<br>> should automatically recognize our locally limited experience with<br>> multiculturalism. None the less, I get all there is to know about breathing<br>> while brown or black in Moscow, and by extension the rest of Idaho.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Hysterical, Gary? Please. Hysterical accurately describes the ignorant<br>> local tea party, Project Liberty, home schooling ninnies who think Faux News<br>> is an ethically professional news outlet, President Obama is going to take<br>> their guns away, and Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman are thoughtful,<br>> intelligent, politicos. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my remarks. Here<br>> is the connect-the-dots version (not for your sake since I do know you got<br>> what I was saying). <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Whether one is in contemporary or historic Birmingham, Vichy, or Moscow,<br>> Idaho inherited economic privilege and educational access coupled with<br>> convenient entr?e to power (mighty or miniscule) is the source of unearned<br>> privilege used by 2% of the population at the expense of the other 98%. In<br>> short, raising chickens in the back yard and hiking all the trails in back<br>> country Idaho does not and will never balance the equation of living off<br>> Mama (or Grampa's) money by wine sipping, cheese sniffing, name dropping,<br>> nanny employing, local latte sipping liberals. Masquerading as Louise<br>> Dickinson Rich (if you haven?t read We Took to The Woods please do. It is<br>> the real deal story of life in the backwoods of Maine in the late 1930s into<br>> the 2nd World War and it is one of my all time top ten books.) doesn?t make<br>> members of a pretentious, little clique genuine, interesting, or likable.<br>> It does almost make them precious (in an inappropriate kind of way). And<br>> herein lies the problem.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Hobbies are not professions. Integrity is not a value which relies on a<br>> moral compass that vacillates between personal convenience and<br>> pseudo-toleration of jackasses with hate filled agendas. High school mean<br>> girls do become adult bullies ? and we all know who they are. Genuine,<br>> committed Democratic organizations are inclusive, work to educate the public<br>> on issues, hold regular voter registration drives, celebrate equality, and<br>> support their candidates with money and volunteer labor ? even in<br>> ?technically? non-partisan races. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> While Doug Wilson et al are a spiritual and political blight on the<br>> community the crowd described at length in the previous paragraph are<br>> equally disgusting, if not as numerous. They willingly give Doug and his<br>> congregants cover and protection ? and he plays these collaborating patsys<br>> like a skilled fisherman with a trout on a barbless hook. <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> You know, Gary, I am not referring to hard working, intellectually honest<br>> folks who have genuine disagreements with me over everything from politics<br>> to religion. Good on them, they make me think and rethink ? which is always<br>> a valuable process (at least for me). But, I am fed up to my hind teeth<br>> with the phony foolishness and whining oozing from the lethargic, lazy left<br>> in Moscow.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Rose<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith@gmail.com] <br>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:55 AM<br>> To: Keely Emerine-Mix<br>> Cc: Rosemary Huskey; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 72<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> "It angers me that, in the name of "liberalism" and "tolerance," the voices<br>> in Moscow who most want us to believe that they're opposed to racism,<br>> homophobia, sexism, and the rank classism that chokes this town remain<br>> silent when a racist, homophobic, masculinist hater of community and<br>> democracy announces plans to take it over."<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Moscow as Birmingham circa 1955? Hysterical (in every sense)<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20131112/1adee573/attachment.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br>> <br>> End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 89, Issue 86<br>> ******************************************<br></div> </div></body>
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