[Vision2020] When will the horror end?

[Joe Campbell]

Wayne,

You have to admit that there are differences between the two examples. You
can't compare a boating ACCIDENT to an actual case of GUN VIOLENCE. One
difference is that in the case of mass shootings, the shooter intends to
kill the victim(s). I think that is part of what Saundra is getting at.

Another part is that some people think that gun violence is a serious
social problem. You might not think so but just as, in a public venue, the
atheist should have some sympathy and respect for the theist -- if only for
the sake of discussion -- so too you have to wrap your head around that
fact that some of us think that there is a serious problem that you (in
your ignorance -- just kidding!) might not regard as a problem. That's why
we're really searching for ways to dialogue, really trying to push the
envelope when it comes to providing possible solutions.

Which brings us to the 2nd amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being
necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep
and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I want to know how one could get from these words to: ALL forms of gun
control are constitutionally prohibited.

Anyone care to show me the details of that argument?

Best, Joe

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

> Glad to know it's NOT just the Second Amendment you and your ilk don't
> like . *S*
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> On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
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> > I dunno, Wayne, but I think a much more pertinent question is:  when
> > will you have the decency to quit posting stupid crap in lame attempts
> > to minimize gun violence in the US?
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> > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Wayne Price wrote:
> >> Where is the president and a special committee to stop all this
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> >> ferry violence?
> >> How many more have to be injured or maimed before this will end?
> >> Where is the mayor of NYC? The governor?
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> >> "At least 50 people were injured, two critically, after a commuter ferry
> >> slammed into a dock Wednesday morning in Lower Manhattan.
> >> The Seastreak Wall Street ferry from Atlantic Highlands, N.J., banged
> >> into the mooring as it arrived at South Street around 8:45 a.m.
> >> Wednesday. One person is in critical condition with head injuries.
> >> Those on board said passengers were waiting to disembark and were hurled
> >> on the deck after the impact.
> >> A passenger, Ellen Foran of Neptune City, N.J., said people tumbled on
> >> top of one another, hysterical and crying.
> >> "We were pulling into the dock. The boat hit the dock. We just tumbled
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> >> top of each other. I got thrown into everybody else. ... People were
> >> hysterical," said Ellen Foran.
> >> Those injured were being treated at the scene. There were no immediate
> >> details of the injuries. Reports on the number of those injured vary.
> >> The Coast Guard said drug and alcohol tests were administered on the
> >> captain and crew as soon as the injury count concludes. The alcohol
> tests
> >> have come back negative. Results for the drug tests may take weeks.
> >> A corner of the ferry is ripped open like a tin can.
> >> Fire fighters were seen setting up a temporary staging area on the dock
> >> with stretchers and other medical equipment and some passengers were
> >> being removed from the ferry on stretchers for evaluation.
> >> More than 340 passengers and crew members were aboard the ferry from New
> >> Jersey, one of many that carry commuters to the island of Manhattan.
> >> Dee Wertz was on shore waiting for the ferry and saw the impact.
> >> "It was coming in a little wobbly," Wertz said. "It hit the right side
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> >> the boat on the dock hard, like a bomb."
> >> After the impact, the boat was able to dock normally. Wertz said
> >> passengers raced off once the ramp came down.
> >> "I think people just wanted to get the heck off the boat as soon as they
> >> could," she said.
> >> Ferry company officials were at the scene. The company confirms the
> >> ship's propulsion system was recently upgraded, but it is unclear if
> that
> >> was the cause of the accident.
> >> Ferries are a fairly common way to commute to work in Manhattan, an
> >> island separated from New Jersey and the rest of New York City by
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> >> rivers."
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