Wayne,<br><br>You have to admit that there are differences between the two examples. You can't compare a boating ACCIDENT to an actual case of GUN VIOLENCE. One difference is that in the case of mass shootings, the shooter intends to kill the victim(s). I think that is part of what Saundra is getting at. <br>
<br>Another part is that some people think that gun violence is a serious social problem. You might not think so but just as, in a public venue, the atheist should have some sympathy and respect for the theist -- if only for the sake of discussion -- so too you have to wrap your head around that fact that some of us think that there is a serious problem that you (in your ignorance -- just kidding!) might not regard as a problem. That's why we're really searching for ways to dialogue, really trying to push the envelope when it comes to providing possible solutions.<br>
<br>Which brings us to the 2nd amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed."<br><br>I want to know how one could get from these words to: ALL forms of gun control are constitutionally prohibited.<br><br>Anyone care to show me the details of that argument?<br><br>Best, Joe<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Wayne Price <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com" target="_blank">bear@moscow.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Glad to know it's NOT just the Second Amendment you and your ilk don't like . *S*<br>
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On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:<br>
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> I dunno, Wayne, but I think a much more pertinent question is: when<br>
> will you have the decency to quit posting stupid crap in lame attempts<br>
> to minimize gun violence in the US?<br>
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> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Wayne Price wrote:<br>
>> Where is the president and a special committee to stop all this senseless<br>
>> ferry violence?<br>
>> How many more have to be injured or maimed before this will end?<br>
>> Where is the mayor of NYC? The governor?<br>
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>> "At least 50 people were injured, two critically, after a commuter ferry<br>
>> slammed into a dock Wednesday morning in Lower Manhattan.<br>
>> The Seastreak Wall Street ferry from Atlantic Highlands, N.J., banged<br>
>> into the mooring as it arrived at South Street around 8:45 a.m.<br>
>> Wednesday. One person is in critical condition with head injuries.<br>
>> Those on board said passengers were waiting to disembark and were hurled<br>
>> on the deck after the impact.<br>
>> A passenger, Ellen Foran of Neptune City, N.J., said people tumbled on<br>
>> top of one another, hysterical and crying.<br>
>> "We were pulling into the dock. The boat hit the dock. We just tumbled on<br>
>> top of each other. I got thrown into everybody else. ... People were<br>
>> hysterical," said Ellen Foran.<br>
>> Those injured were being treated at the scene. There were no immediate<br>
>> details of the injuries. Reports on the number of those injured vary.<br>
>> The Coast Guard said drug and alcohol tests were administered on the<br>
>> captain and crew as soon as the injury count concludes. The alcohol tests<br>
>> have come back negative. Results for the drug tests may take weeks.<br>
>> A corner of the ferry is ripped open like a tin can.<br>
>> Fire fighters were seen setting up a temporary staging area on the dock<br>
>> with stretchers and other medical equipment and some passengers were<br>
>> being removed from the ferry on stretchers for evaluation.<br>
>> More than 340 passengers and crew members were aboard the ferry from New<br>
>> Jersey, one of many that carry commuters to the island of Manhattan.<br>
>> Dee Wertz was on shore waiting for the ferry and saw the impact.<br>
>> "It was coming in a little wobbly," Wertz said. "It hit the right side of<br>
>> the boat on the dock hard, like a bomb."<br>
>> After the impact, the boat was able to dock normally. Wertz said<br>
>> passengers raced off once the ramp came down.<br>
>> "I think people just wanted to get the heck off the boat as soon as they<br>
>> could," she said.<br>
>> Ferry company officials were at the scene. The company confirms the<br>
>> ship's propulsion system was recently upgraded, but it is unclear if that<br>
>> was the cause of the accident.<br>
>> Ferries are a fairly common way to commute to work in Manhattan, an<br>
>> island separated from New Jersey and the rest of New York City by several<br>
>> rivers."<br>
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