[Vision2020] When will the horror end?

[Donovan Arnold]

The sad thing is, the government will make quick and meaningful change when a boat slams into a dock to make sure it doesn't happen again. But they won't do anything to prevent another unstable soul from entering a room full of innocent people, including children, and unloading a few magazine clips into them. 
 
Donovan J. Arnold

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> 
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Saundra Lund <sslund2009 at fastmail.fm> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] When will the horror end?


Wayne,

You have to admit that there are differences between the two examples. You can't compare a boating ACCIDENT to an actual case of GUN VIOLENCE. One difference is that in the case of mass shootings, the shooter intends to kill the victim(s). I think that is part of what Saundra is getting at. 

Another part is that some people think that gun violence is a serious social problem. You might not think so but just as, in a public venue, the atheist should have some sympathy and respect for the theist -- if only for the sake of discussion -- so too you have to wrap your head around that fact that some of us think that there is a serious problem that you (in your ignorance -- just kidding!) might not regard as a problem. That's why we're really searching for ways to dialogue, really trying to push the envelope when it comes to providing possible solutions.

Which brings us to the 2nd amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I want to know how one could get from these words to: ALL forms of gun control are constitutionally prohibited.

Anyone care to show me the details of that argument?

Best, Joe


On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

Glad to know it's NOT just the Second Amendment you and your ilk don't like . *S*
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>> I dunno, Wayne, but I think a much more pertinent question is:  when
>> will you have the decency to quit posting stupid crap in lame attempts
>> to minimize gun violence in the US?
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>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Wayne Price wrote:
>>> Where is the president and a special committee to stop all this senseless
>>> ferry violence?
>>> How many more have to be injured or maimed before this will end?
>>> Where is the mayor of NYC? The governor?
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>>> "At least 50 people were injured, two critically, after a commuter ferry
>>> slammed into a dock Wednesday morning in Lower Manhattan.
>>> The Seastreak Wall Street ferry from Atlantic Highlands, N.J., banged
>>> into the mooring as it arrived at South Street around 8:45 a.m.
>>> Wednesday. One person is in critical condition with head injuries.
>>> Those on board said passengers were waiting to disembark and were hurled
>>> on the deck after the impact.
>>> A passenger, Ellen Foran of Neptune City, N.J., said people tumbled on
>>> top of one another, hysterical and crying.
>>> "We were pulling into the dock. The boat hit the dock. We just tumbled on
>>> top of each other. I got thrown into everybody else. ... People were
>>> hysterical," said Ellen Foran.
>>> Those injured were being treated at the scene. There were no immediate
>>> details of the injuries. Reports on the number of those injured vary.
>>> The Coast Guard said drug and alcohol tests were administered on the
>>> captain and crew as soon as the injury count concludes. The alcohol tests
>>> have come back negative. Results for the drug tests may take weeks.
>>> A corner of the ferry is ripped open like a tin can.
>>> Fire fighters were seen setting up a temporary staging area on the dock
>>> with stretchers and other medical equipment and some passengers were
>>> being removed from the ferry on stretchers for evaluation.
>>> More than 340 passengers and crew members were aboard the ferry from New
>>> Jersey, one of many that carry commuters to the island of Manhattan.
>>> Dee Wertz was on shore waiting for the ferry and saw the impact.
>>> "It was coming in a little wobbly," Wertz said. "It hit the right side of
>>> the boat on the dock hard, like a bomb."
>>> After the impact, the boat was able to dock normally. Wertz said
>>> passengers raced off once the ramp came down.
>>> "I think people just wanted to get the heck off the boat as soon as they
>>> could," she said.
>>> Ferry company officials were at the scene. The company confirms the
>>> ship's propulsion system was recently upgraded, but it is unclear if that
>>> was the cause of the accident.
>>> Ferries are a fairly common way to commute to work in Manhattan, an
>>> island separated from New Jersey and the rest of New York City by several
>>> rivers."
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