[Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age

[Ron Force]

I chimed in on this because the meme from the climate skeptics has been "But in the 70's you were predicting an ice age!" and I thought that's what you were referencing. The AMA article was proving that that outlook was a minority, which has since been shown to be wrong. OK if you were just comparing it to winter storm Nemo. I have comparable pictures from my daughter's yard in Maine this week. Sure looks like an ice age.
 
Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA


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 From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age
 


I didn't post this to get in an argument about global cooling.  I
      do find it awfully strange that so much time and effort goes into
      trying to show just how much consensus there is, as if that had
      any importance in science.  If every single paper on climate
      change ever published showed it was a problem, all except for one,
      and that one paper fit the data better, then consensus would be
      wrong.  Now the American Meteorological Society is spending it's
      time trying to show that, no, really, we didn't really think that
      an ice age was coming, honest.

"Consensus" is a political term, right up there with "compromise",
      and "mind-share".

I don't remember aerosols being the reason given for ice ages. 
      Not that I'm saying you're wrong, just that that's not how I
      remember it being framed.  It had more to do with orbital cycles
      and/or the air in the arctic warming enough to be able to carry
      more moisture and thus more snow, if I remember correctly.  But
      then, I haven't gone back to the 70's literature and graded all
      the papers as "warming", "cooling", or "neutral", so what do I
      know?

I posted this video because it referenced the winter of 1977,
      which I thought somebody might find interesting given the weather
      that is happening in the North East.

Paul

Btw, I'm not a trained mother-f***ing climatologist; but then I
      doubt anyone else on this list is either.


On 02/10/2013 08:58 PM, Ron Force wrote:

Yes, there was sensational media hype about "the coming ice age". It was based on studies which showed increasing atmospheric aerosols, projected to quadruple over the coming decades. The clean Air Act of 1970 proved to be more efficient than expected, and aerosols declined by the late 70s . (It was all the fault of that socialist hippie Richard Nixon) However, studies have shown that the consensus even back then was for warming. Here's a study from the Journal of the American Meteorological Association:
>http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
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>Here's a more popular summary:
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>http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
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>Ron Force
>Moscow Idaho USA
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> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: Vision 2020 <Vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:22 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age
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>I happened to run across this today.  Not only does it
            confirm my memories that a coming ice age was being
            discussed in the late 70's / early 80's, but it also talks
            about the particularly tough winter of 1977 in the North
            Eastern part of the country.  I thought the comparison to
            the snowfall from the last few days in the same area might
            be interesting.
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>Here is the link: 
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_861us8D9M
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>Paul
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