<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>I chimed in on this because the meme from the climate skeptics has been "But in the 70's you were predicting an ice age!" and I thought that's what you were referencing. The AMA article was proving that that outlook was a minority, which has since been shown to be wrong. OK if you were just comparing it to winter storm Nemo. I have comparable pictures from my daughter's yard in Maine this week. Sure looks like an ice age.</span><img src="http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo1.gif" alt="*:) happy" style="font-size: 10pt;"></div><div></div><div> </div><div>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA<br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ron Force <rforce2003@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Moscow Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:58 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age<br> </font> </div> <br>
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I didn't post this to get in an argument about global cooling. I
do find it awfully strange that so much time and effort goes into
trying to show just how much consensus there is, as if that had
any importance in science. If every single paper on climate
change ever published showed it was a problem, all except for one,
and that one paper fit the data better, then consensus would be
wrong. Now the American Meteorological Society is spending it's
time trying to show that, no, really, we didn't really think that
an ice age was coming, honest.<br>
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"Consensus" is a political term, right up there with "compromise",
and "mind-share".<br>
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I don't remember aerosols being the reason given for ice ages.
Not that I'm saying you're wrong, just that that's not how I
remember it being framed. It had more to do with orbital cycles
and/or the air in the arctic warming enough to be able to carry
more moisture and thus more snow, if I remember correctly. But
then, I haven't gone back to the 70's literature and graded all
the papers as "warming", "cooling", or "neutral", so what do I
know?<br>
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I posted this video because it referenced the winter of 1977,
which I thought somebody might find interesting given the weather
that is happening in the North East.<br>
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Paul<br>
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Btw, I'm not a trained mother-f***ing climatologist; but then I
doubt anyone else on this list is either.<br>
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On 02/10/2013 08:58 PM, Ron Force wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font size="2">Yes, there was sensational media hype
about "the coming ice age". It was based on studies which
showed increasing atmospheric aerosols, projected to
quadruple over the coming decades. The clean Air Act of
1970 proved to be more efficient than expected, and
aerosols declined by the late 70s . (It was all the fault
of that socialist hippie Richard Nixon) However, studies
have shown that the consensus even back then was for
warming. Here's a study from the Journal of the
American Meteorological Association:</font></span></div>
<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font size="2">http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1<br>
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<div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal;"><span><font size="2">Here's a more
popular summary:</font></span></div>
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<div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font size="2">http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm<br>
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Moscow Idaho USA<br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Paul Rumelhart <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1313570949moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><godshatter@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Vision 2020 <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1313570949moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><Vision2020@moscow.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:22 PM<br>
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[Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age<br>
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I happened to run across this today. Not only does it
confirm my memories that a coming ice age was being
discussed in the late 70's / early 80's, but it also talks
about the particularly tough winter of 1977 in the North
Eastern part of the country. I thought the comparison to
the snowfall from the last few days in the same area might
be interesting.<br>
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Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_861us8D9M<br>
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Paul<br>
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