[Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Sun Feb 10 21:58:02 PST 2013


I didn't post this to get in an argument about global cooling.  I do 
find it awfully strange that so much time and effort goes into trying to 
show just how much consensus there is, as if that had any importance in 
science.  If every single paper on climate change ever published showed 
it was a problem, all except for one, and that one paper fit the data 
better, then consensus would be wrong.  Now the American Meteorological 
Society is spending it's time trying to show that, no, really, we didn't 
really think that an ice age was coming, honest.

"Consensus" is a political term, right up there with "compromise", and 
"mind-share".

I don't remember aerosols being the reason given for ice ages. Not that 
I'm saying you're wrong, just that that's not how I remember it being 
framed.  It had more to do with orbital cycles and/or the air in the 
arctic warming enough to be able to carry more moisture and thus more 
snow, if I remember correctly.  But then, I haven't gone back to the 
70's literature and graded all the papers as "warming", "cooling", or 
"neutral", so what do I know?

I posted this video because it referenced the winter of 1977, which I 
thought somebody might find interesting given the weather that is 
happening in the North East.

Paul

Btw, I'm not a trained mother-f***ing climatologist; but then I doubt 
anyone else on this list is either.


On 02/10/2013 08:58 PM, Ron Force wrote:
> Yes, there was sensational media hype about "the coming ice age". It 
> was based on studies which showed increasing atmospheric aerosols, 
> projected to quadruple over the coming decades. The clean Air Act of 
> 1970 proved to be more efficient than expected, and aerosols declined 
> by the late 70s . (It was all the fault of that socialist hippie 
> Richard Nixon) However, studies have shown that the consensus 
> even back then was for warming. Here's a study from the Journal of the 
> American Meteorological Association:
> http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1
>
> Here's a more popular summary:
>
> http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
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> *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Vision 2020 <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:22 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] In Search Of - The Coming Ice Age
>
> I happened to run across this today.  Not only does it confirm my 
> memories that a coming ice age was being discussed in the late 70's / 
> early 80's, but it also talks about the particularly tough winter of 
> 1977 in the North Eastern part of the country.  I thought the 
> comparison to the snowfall from the last few days in the same area 
> might be interesting.
>
> Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_861us8D9M
>
> Paul
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