[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

[Paul Rumelhart]

You know what?  It actually is intolerance.  The Christ Church 
leadership may not be stellar citizens according to your criteria, but I 
see so much ridicule and hatred directed at them on this list that I 
fail to see it as anything other than intolerance.  For example, a few 
years ago people on this list were suggesting that we boycott any 
business run by Christ Church members because of some conflict people on 
this list had with Doug.  I don't even remember what it was.  A tolerant 
community would welcome people of all faiths, whether or not they 
thought their leadership were screw-ups.

This isn't directed at you, personally, by the way.  It's just something 
that has bothered me as a long-time Vision2020 subscriber.  I'm saying 
this in response to your post because I find you to be one of the more 
rational people on this list.  Myself, I hope they manage to build the 
cathedral of their dreams, whatever that might be.  The same goes for 
any other religious group out there.  More power to them.

I just think that a more welcoming approach might be worth a try 
someday.  Every single Christ Church member that I have spent more than 
a few minutes interacting with has turned out to be a nice, helpful 
person.  More so than your average person, even.

I'm not just suggesting that we be more tolerant of them because I 
happen to know a few members of their church.  If this was a Muslim 
group, witches, Satanists (of whatever variety), atheists, 
Scientologists, or any other minority religious group, I'd be suggesting 
the same thing.  Welcome them to the community because they are people 
like we all are.  It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

I'm not trying to say that people shouldn't complain about whatever it 
is they think Doug has been up to last, I just think that the 
"Intolerista" thing should be tossed out the window, as should the "not 
on the Palouse, not ever" idea.  If it were a group distinguished 
because of gender, race, or sexual preference and people were being 
proud of their intolerance to them, I would expect everyone on this list 
to be rightly offended.  I don't know why people intolerant of a 
religious tradition are being given a pass.

Anyway, rant over.  I'll go prepare myself for the veritable shitstorm 
that I suspect is on it's way.

Paul

On 03/24/2012 01:54 PM, Nicholas Gier wrote:
> Hail to the Vision!
>
> I once had an image file of an archictect's general plan for the the 
> Kirk's Kirk. (Did Wilson know that "kirk" is Afrikaans for the 
> churches of racist Dutch Calvinists?)  It looked like a medieval 
> cathedral and would take up the entire property.  They foolishly 
> assumed that they could use Gritman's parking lots, but permission was 
> wisely refused.  Their real estate agent tried to buy the large vacant 
> piece to the southwest and Gritman refused to sell that as well.
>
> It's not intolerant to dislkike intellectual dishonesty, ordinary 
> dishonesty, bigotry, and bad manners.
>
> I therefore sign myself a proud Intolerista,
>
> Nick
>
> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Bradford Cranmer 
> <bradford.cranmer at gmail.com <mailto:bradford.cranmer at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     The name of that lot is The Christ Church Eternally Phantom Cathedral.
>
>     On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com
>     <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>         Tom Hansen
>         Moscow, Idaho
>
>         "If not us, who?
>         If not now, when?"
>
>         - Unknown
>
>
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