[Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First Amendment (Part 2)

Sat Dec 8 16:00:18 PST 2012

One could easily argue that teaching children that Christianity, Islam,
Judaism, or etc as fact rather than fantasy based on faith/hope is child
abuse, and abuse which can have an long term deleterious consequences.

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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Paul, after listening to Judd Wilson’s & his pal Greg Evan’s complaints,
> they think that their offense at having their Christianity “mocked” on a
> billboard (you can bet neither would give a rip if the Islamic faith was a
> specific target since both men supported a candidate who distributed an
> ugly attack on that faith) is more important than the First Amendment.****
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> No, the City didn’t put up the billboard nor does it own the billboard or
> the land.  The billboard & land are privately owned AFAIK, and the American
> Humanist Association (AHA) paid for the content, just like they’ve done
> periodically for several years now.****
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> As Ted pointed out, Christianity isn’t specifically targeted on the
> billboard, but both Christian men took offense nonetheless, and I doubt
> either would care if some other religion had been targeted as neither men
> are known for their religious tolerance or acceptance.****
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> Additionally, Judd Wilson stooped to a particularly low level dragging his
> young child into the argument when his comments make it clear that it
> wasn’t his daughter who was offended but rather he himself.  Not that it
> would matter, IMHO:  when a child’s offense at being pressured (I hope they
> aren’t still required!) to participate or witness in vivisection doesn’t
> matter, mere words on a billboard certainly don’t.****
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> As to why they took it to the City Council, I imagine they were hoping
> they could sucker the City into a costly effort to suppress the First
> Amendment.  Religious bigots like those men have a long history, especially
> in this area, of trying to use the law to force their religious beliefs on
> the rest of us.  I imagine they were hoping they could whip enough other
> religious bigots (similar to 2004) into a frenzy to get the City to do
> something stupid.****
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> I don’t know why Judd Wilson thinks the billboard is any different than
> the unsolicited offensive crap pretending to be a legit newspaper he sent
> out via the USPS.****
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> Oh, wait, I guess I do know:  it’s just another example of rank
> hypocrisy.  His personal offense matters; no one else’s does.****
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> Saundra****
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> Moscow, ID****
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> Compassion is the basis of all morality.****
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> ~ Arthur Schopenhuaer****
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Campbell
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2012 3:50 PM
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart
> *Cc:* Lois; Friends of the Clearwater; Moscow Vision 2020; Jeanne McHale;
> Fritz Knorr; Friends of the Palouse Ranger District
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First
> Amendment (Part 2)****
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> Another good question! My answer: Because by bringing it to the City of
> Moscow he'll get more attention.****
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> wrote:****
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> I don't understand why he's petitioning the city council.  Did the City of
> Moscow put that billboard up?  Do they own the land or the billboard
> itself?  Does he think it's breaking the law in some way?****
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> Sorry if it's all laid out in the video, I haven't had the time to watch
> it yet.****
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> Paul****
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> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Lois <loisb at q.com>; Friends of the Clearwater <
> foc at friendsoftheclearwater.org>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
> Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <
> fritzknorr at gmail.com>; Friends of the Palouse Ranger District <
> fprd09 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 7, 2012 3:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First
> Amendment (Part 2)****
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> Good point, Ted. Joe****
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> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:**
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> I'm listening to this presentation at this moment, and it appears that
> Wilson thinks the billboard was specifically aimed at Christianity, when
> given what I saw on this billboard, it does not target Christianity any
> more than any religion that has "God" as a belief.  The billboard indeed
> could apply to Islam or Judaism, etc. or even perhaps belief in "Gaia"
> which some think is a unscientific "God" substitute for pagans.
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> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett****
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> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Mayor Chaney's, and the Moscow City Council's, Response to Judd Wilson's
> November 19th Complaint****
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoozIpwfo5U****
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> [image: image.jpeg]****
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> Stay tuned, Visionaires, because . . .****
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> "Moscow Cares"****
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> http://www.MoscowCares.com****
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>   ****
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> Tom Hansen****
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> Moscow, Idaho****
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