[Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First Amendment (Part 2)

Sun Dec 9 10:05:11 PST 2012

You can argue most anything, but a charge of 'child abuse' for teaching kids about most any religion is absurd. First Amendment protects that as much as the content on AHA's Billboard.

Also, aren't these guys who are filing these complaints and arguing them in front of the city council well within their rights to do so?

-Scott

On Dec 8, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Art Deco" <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:

> One could easily argue that teaching children that Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or etc as fact rather than fantasy based on faith/hope is child abuse, and abuse which can have an long term deleterious consequences.
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> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Paul, after listening to Judd Wilson’s & his pal Greg Evan’s complaints, they think that their offense at having their Christianity “mocked” on a billboard (you can bet neither would give a rip if the Islamic faith was a specific target since both men supported a candidate who distributed an ugly attack on that faith) is more important than the First Amendment.
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>> No, the City didn’t put up the billboard nor does it own the billboard or the land.  The billboard & land are privately owned AFAIK, and the American Humanist Association (AHA) paid for the content, just like they’ve done periodically for several years now.
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>> As Ted pointed out, Christianity isn’t specifically targeted on the billboard, but both Christian men took offense nonetheless, and I doubt either would care if some other religion had been targeted as neither men are known for their religious tolerance or acceptance.
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>> Additionally, Judd Wilson stooped to a particularly low level dragging his young child into the argument when his comments make it clear that it wasn’t his daughter who was offended but rather he himself.  Not that it would matter, IMHO:  when a child’s offense at being pressured (I hope they aren’t still required!) to participate or witness in vivisection doesn’t matter, mere words on a billboard certainly don’t.
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>> As to why they took it to the City Council, I imagine they were hoping they could sucker the City into a costly effort to suppress the First Amendment.  Religious bigots like those men have a long history, especially in this area, of trying to use the law to force their religious beliefs on the rest of us.  I imagine they were hoping they could whip enough other religious bigots (similar to 2004) into a frenzy to get the City to do something stupid.
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>> I don’t know why Judd Wilson thinks the billboard is any different than the unsolicited offensive crap pretending to be a legit newspaper he sent out via the USPS.
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>> Oh, wait, I guess I do know:  it’s just another example of rank hypocrisy.  His personal offense matters; no one else’s does.
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>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Joe Campbell
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>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 3:50 PM
>> To: Paul Rumelhart
>> Cc: Lois; Friends of the Clearwater; Moscow Vision 2020; Jeanne McHale; Fritz Knorr; Friends of the Palouse Ranger District
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>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First Amendment (Part 2)
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>> Another good question! My answer: Because by bringing it to the City of Moscow he'll get more attention.
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>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> I don't understand why he's petitioning the city council.  Did the City of Moscow put that billboard up?  Do they own the land or the billboard itself?  Does he think it's breaking the law in some way?
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>> Sorry if it's all laid out in the video, I haven't had the time to watch it yet.
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>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> To: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> 
>> Cc: Lois <loisb at q.com>; Friends of the Clearwater <foc at friendsoftheclearwater.org>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Jeanne McHale <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>; Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com>; Friends of the Palouse Ranger District <fprd09 at gmail.com> 
>> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 3:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First Amendment (Part 2)
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>> Good point, Ted. Joe
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>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm listening to this presentation at this moment, and it appears that Wilson thinks the billboard was specifically aimed at Christianity, when given what I saw on this billboard, it does not target Christianity any more than any religion that has "God" as a belief.  The billboard indeed could apply to Islam or Judaism, etc. or even perhaps belief in "Gaia" which some think is a unscientific "God" substitute for pagans.
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>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
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>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:
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>> Mayor Chaney's, and the Moscow City Council's, Response to Judd Wilson's November 19th Complaint
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>> Stay tuned, Visionaires, because . . .
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