One could easily argue that teaching children that Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or etc as fact rather than fantasy based on faith/hope is child abuse, and abuse which can have an long term deleterious consequences.<br><br>
w.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Saundra Lund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl1.fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul, after listening to Judd Wilson’s & his pal Greg Evan’s complaints, they think that their offense at having their Christianity “mocked” on a billboard (you can bet neither would give a rip if the Islamic faith was a specific target since both men supported a candidate who distributed an ugly attack on that faith) is more important than the First Amendment.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">No, the City didn’t put up the billboard nor does it own the billboard or the land. The billboard & land are privately owned AFAIK, and the American Humanist Association (AHA) paid for the content, just like they’ve done periodically for several years now.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As Ted pointed out, Christianity isn’t specifically targeted on the billboard, but both Christian men took offense nonetheless, and I doubt either would care if some other religion had been targeted as neither men are known for their religious tolerance or acceptance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Additionally, Judd Wilson stooped to a particularly low level dragging his young child into the argument when his comments make it clear that it wasn’t his daughter who was offended but rather he himself. Not that it would matter, IMHO: when a child’s offense at being pressured (I hope they aren’t still required!) to participate or witness in vivisection doesn’t matter, mere words on a billboard certainly don’t.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As to why they took it to the City Council, I imagine they were hoping they could sucker the City into a costly effort to suppress the First Amendment. Religious bigots like those men have a long history, especially in this area, of trying to use the law to force their religious beliefs on the rest of us. I imagine they were hoping they could whip enough other religious bigots (similar to 2004) into a frenzy to get the City to do something stupid.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I don’t know why Judd Wilson thinks the billboard is any different than the unsolicited offensive crap pretending to be a legit newspaper he sent out via the USPS.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Oh, wait, I guess I do know: it’s just another example of rank hypocrisy. His personal offense matters; no one else’s does.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Saundra<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Moscow, ID<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Compassion is the basis of all morality.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">~ Arthur Schopenhuaer<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Campbell</span></p>
<div class="im"><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 07, 2012 3:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Rumelhart<br></div><b>Cc:</b> Lois; Friends of the Clearwater; Moscow Vision 2020; Jeanne McHale; Fritz Knorr; Friends of the Palouse Ranger District<div>
<div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First Amendment (Part 2)<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Another good question! My answer: Because by bringing it to the City of Moscow he'll get more attention.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I don't understand why he's petitioning the city council. Did the City of Moscow put that billboard up? Do they own the land or the billboard itself? Does he think it's breaking the law in some way?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sorry if it's all laid out in the video, I haven't had the time to watch it yet.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><hr align="center" width="100%" size="1">
</span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Joe Campbell <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Lois <<a href="mailto:loisb@q.com" target="_blank">loisb@q.com</a>>; Friends of the Clearwater <<a href="mailto:foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org" target="_blank">foc@friendsoftheclearwater.org</a>>; Moscow Vision 2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>; Jeanne McHale <<a href="mailto:jeannemchale@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jeannemchale@hotmail.com</a>>; Fritz Knorr <<a href="mailto:fritzknorr@gmail.com" target="_blank">fritzknorr@gmail.com</a>>; Friends of the Palouse Ranger District <<a href="mailto:fprd09@gmail.com" target="_blank">fprd09@gmail.com</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2012 3:31 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Religion, Moscow Billboards, and the First Amendment (Part 2)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Good point, Ted. Joe<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">starbliss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
I'm listening to this presentation at this moment, and it appears that Wilson thinks the billboard was specifically aimed at Christianity, when given what I saw on this billboard, it does not target Christianity any more than any religion that has "God" as a belief. The billboard indeed could apply to Islam or Judaism, etc. or even perhaps belief in "Gaia" which some think is a unscientific "God" substitute for pagans.<br>
------------------------------------------<br>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Moscow Cares <<a href="mailto:moscowcares@moscow.com" target="_blank">moscowcares@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><div><div><h1 style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:1.1363em;max-height:1.1363em;overflow:hidden">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Mayor Chaney's, and the Moscow City Council's, Response to Judd Wilson's November 19th Complaint</span><u></u><u></u></h1><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoozIpwfo5U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoozIpwfo5U</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><img src="cid:image001.jpg@01CDD4DA.8A26A580" alt="image.jpeg" border="0" height="550" width="728"></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Stay tuned, Visionaires, because . . .<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Moscow Cares"<u></u><u></u></p>
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