[Vision2020] Say What?

Tue Apr 3 08:52:10 PDT 2012

Yes, Saundra,

The TPers/GOP do spread misinformation from dubious sources.  Some
knowingly so, some out of ignorance, some to justify normally unsupportable
beliefs -- the latter noted by Rose when TPers think that the complex issue
of constitutional law can be resolved by a few catch phrases instead of by
a careful study of the complexity caused by the elasticity, vagueness, and
ambiguity of the language of the constitution.

The GOP needs a grassroots effort to clean up and recapture their party and
to stop using gross misinformation to sell their agenda.  The local GOP
might start with removing their current county chairperson, Walter Steed,
whose slime coefficient might at any time exceed the threshold level,
thereby turning him into liquid slime, and allowing him to flow down the
nearest sewer.

w.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Sunil Ramalingam <
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Nick and Saundra,
>
> Don't confuse Santorum with facts: He has a war to fight.
>
> What I find interesting is the kind of class warfare that's acceptable to
> some Republicans; or maybe to all of us, just so this isn't a D-R fight.
>
> Santorum, highly educated himself, is using the old R playbook and
> attacking 'cultural elites.' That's permissible, and one can campaign all
> day on that.
>
> But when we really talk about the distribution of wealth, and regressive
> tax policies, that's class warfare, and we should not talk about it. Romney
> says we should talk about tax policy and wealth distribution in quiet
> rooms.
>
>
> http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/01/shhhh-romney-wants-economy-talk-in-quiet-rooms.html
>
> When wealth is distributed to the top; when wars that enrich companies
> like Halliburton are waged, that's not class warfare.
>
> But when you say, 'We're getting screwed,' it is. And Wall Street does
> just fine, whether it's Ds or Rs in charge; they fund them all and get a
> great return on their investment.
>
> I recommend Matt Taibbi's 'Griftopia' for anyone who wants a colorful look
> at the results of deregulation, and his take on Obamacare.
>
> Sunil
> ------------------------------
> From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
> To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:57:49 -0700
>
>
> Hi Sunil,
>
>
>
> I didn’t take time to check out each & every CSU campus, but I checked
> enough to know that there *aren’t* seven or eight campuses that don’t
> offer US History.  For anyone else interested, you can access each campus
> from the following link:
>
> http://www.calstate.edu/
>
>
>
> Here’s more about the UC facts:
>
>
> http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/04/02/456547/santorum-uc-american-history/?mobile=nc
>
>
>
> In fact, of the 10 UC system schools, just one (San Francisco) doesn’t
> offer American history courses. But that’s because it doesn’t offer *any*humanities courses at all — it’s a medical school.
>
> Meanwhile, Berkeley<http://general-catalog.berkeley.edu/catalog/gcc_search_sends_request>,
> Irvine <http://www.editor.uci.edu/catalogue/hum/hum.14.htm>, Davis<http://registrar.ucdavis.edu/ucdwebcatalog/PDF/07GenCatUgradEdu.pdf>,
> Los Angeles<http://www.registrar.ucla.edu/catalog/catalog11-12-400.htm#445416584_pgfId-1003847>,
> Merced<http://ssha.ucmerced.edu/2.asp?uc=1&lvl2=41&lvl3=41&lvl4=107&contentid=144>,
> Riverside <http://catalog.ucr.edu/scribd.html>, San Diego<http://www.ucsd.edu/catalog/courses/HIST.html>,
> Santa Barbara<http://my.sa.ucsb.edu/Catalog/Current/CollegesDepartments/ls-intro/hist.aspx?DeptTab=Courses>,
> and Santa Cruz <http://reg.ucsc.edu/catalog/html/undergrad_acad.html> all
> offer numerous American history courses. All require students to take U.S.
> history before they can graduate.
>
> University of California spokesperson Brooke Converse emailed to note that every
> single UC undergraduate program is required<http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/counselors/graduation-requirements/history/index.html>to study “American history and institutions,” though specific requirements
> vary at each campus.
>
>
>
> It seems to me the real question is:  what exactly is it that Santorum was
> reading to give him such gross misinformation?  Quite the hit job – no
> matter how inaccurate -- on California higher education, but is that
> surprising coming from Santorum?
>
>
>
> The baffling thing to me is that even when the GOP/TPers get snookered by
> special interest groups that thrive on providing misinformation, they don’t
> seem to learn the lesson & keep right on sucking up the muck.
>
>
>
>
>
> Saundra
>
>
>
> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Sunil Ramalingam
> *Sent:* Monday, April 02, 2012 9:26 PM
> *To:* vision 2020
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
>
>
> Nick,
>
> Tim White got his doctorate at Berkeley, and didn't go to Davis.
>
> I went to Davis and took courses on American history there. Maybe Santorum
> meant the Cal State system? Hmm, I went to Sac State too, and took American
> history courses there too. Maybe they took them off the curriculum.
>
> Sunil
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:18:18 -0700
> From: ngier006 at gmail.com
> To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
>
> I'm sure that the entire UC system has responded to Santorum already, but
> I just checked the history dept. at UC Davis (that is where our illustrious
> former president Time White went) and they have tons of courses on American
> history.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> "I was just reading something last night from the state of California. And
> that the California universities - I think it’s seven or eight of the
> California system of universities don’t even teach an American history
> course. It’s not even available to be taught."
>
> - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum (April 2, 2012)
>
> ---------------
>
>
> http://sfist.com/2012/04/02/rick_santorum_claims_california_universities_are_ruining_america.php
>
> Video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asTPft2-RWw&feature=player_embedded
>
> --------------------------------
>
> Some things you just can't make up.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
>
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