[Vision2020] Hypocrisy

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 14 18:03:17 PDT 2011

Yes, I can be flippant at times.  For that, I apologize.

What I was after in that discussion was what *you* thought.  You don't 
often post your straight opinion on something climate-related.  You 
reference other papers and blogs, but rarely do I see you say what *you* 
think.  Of course, I can infer that from what you're linking into the 
email, but for once I'd like to see what you actually think.  Are we 
doomed?  Are we going to hit the worse scenario?  Are we realistically 
looking at a 2C rise in temp for a doubling of CO2 or 5C or more?  Given 
the realities of the politics of climate change, what can we have a hope 
of actually accomplishing?  Should we be concentrating on nuclear 
power?  Alternative energy?  Gas taxes?  Etc.  That's what my response 
about Bill McKibben's post was meant to convey.


On 09/14/2011 02:53 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into others.
> ------------------
> Wow!
> When you once posted a video related to anthropogenic climate change, 
> and I posted Bill McKibben's response to this video, you 
> condescendingly dismissed my post and McKibben's response, because, as 
> you phrased it, "If I had wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought 
> about it, I'd either have asked him or googled it."
> In this exchange you clearly wanted the responses to comply with your 
> dictates!  You even expressed this condescension by lamenting how hard 
> it is to get a discussion going, expressed in the subject heading, as 
> can be read below referencing Vision2020 posts from this discussion.
> As far as I am concerned, offering McKibben's response, from a 
> environmental scholar very knowledgeable about climate change, to the 
> video you posted, is offering worthwhile commentary, that others also 
> might have found worth considering.  Not for you, it appeared.  You 
> demanded I give my direct impressions of the video, dismissing 
> McKibben's response.  Talk about beating your viewpoint into others, 
> while ignoring the commentary of a scholar whose views on climate 
> change issues are worth considering, well, that is if you were not so 
> immersed in a confirmation bias filtered Weltanschauung on climate 
> science!
> [Vision2020] "Hard to Get Discussion Going?" Re: Bill McKibben 
> Commentary Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071816.html
> *Paul Rumelhart* godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20%22Hard%20to%20Get%20Discussion%20Going%3F%22%20Re%3A%20Bill%20McKibben%0A%20Commentary%20Re%3A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTikW2RDQyzcXyZO_Rb0hS3nwUVBBCEy1uvSj9tw7%40mail.gmail.com>
> /Tue Oct 5 16:59:56 PDT 2010/
> Actually, I was looking for your opinion (and the opinions of others on
> this list).  If I had wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought about
> it, I'd either have asked him or googled it.
> ---------------------
> And in another post in this discussion regarding this video on 
> anthropogenic climate change:
> Vision2020] Bill McKibben: "The Climate Skeptics Can Crow" Re: 10:10 
> "no pressure" video
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071784.html
> *Paul Rumelhart* godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Bill%20McKibben%3A%20%22The%20Climate%20Skeptics%20Can%20Crow%22%20Re%3A%0A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTinE%2Bq_J_E%3Do8YmZEFDnBDa%3Da4O%2B72eewjZ6%3DKU1%40mail.gmail.com>
> /Mon Oct 4 11:43:53 PDT 2010/
> *goes down on his knees throwing his hands up in the air*
> I just wanted somebody to watch the (expletive-deleted) film, for
> sobbing out loud!
> And, if you (or anyone else) is not too busy, and it doesn't take too
> much time out of your day, and it doesn't conflict with your religious
> convictions, and you just happen to be in the mood, please watch the
> film and let me know what you think.
> ------------------------------------------
> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>     I've never claimed to be Jesus Christ or Gandhi.  Of course I have
>     issues of my own.
>     I find climate change interesting.  I read up on it, and even
>     write programs to graph data.  I'm always doing projects like
>     that, not all of them tied to issues on this list.  It's what I
>     do.  My opinion differs from the norm on climate change, so when
>     someone posts something about it I often disagree.  Sometimes I
>     like to respond as if it were a public mailing list.
>     Why does everyone think that I'm always being dismissive,
>     condescending, or patronizing?  I'm just having a conversation. 
>     I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into others. 
>     When someone responds, I reply if I have something to say.
>     Paul
>     On 09/14/2011 10:39 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>>     Paul wrote:
>>     “In my personal opinion, some people on this list should question
>>     whether or not they are obsessing too much about these people.”
>>     Do you mean “obsessing” as in your obsession to respond to
>>     virtually all climate change posts with which you disagree?
>>     Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in the expertise some list members
>>     (including yourself) have pursued to learn about climate change,
>>     mega-loads, child sexual abuse, etc.?
>>     Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in people not willing to accept
>>     your opinion on any particular topic as gospel as evidenced by
>>     offering opinions/experiences different than your own???
>>     One person’s obsession is another’s passion, you know. 
>>     Personally, I’m grateful we have longer term community members on
>>     the Viz who value community history.  There are some who’d like
>>     us to forget about things like SSAIW & religiously motivated
>>     local laws pushed by their own personal lobbyists actually on the
>>     city council & board of county commissioners . . . and that
>>     unsuccessfully tried to run stealth anti-public education
>>     candidates for the school board.  There are some who’d like us to
>>     forget the role of certain local religious factions in
>>     Proposition 8 & in boycotting “immoral” local businesses so they
>>     can whine with phony “righteous indignation” when individuals
>>     choose not to patronize their businesses.  And, there are some
>>     who’d like us to forget all about certain local churches that
>>     have been caught dead to rights – and more than once -- violating
>>     the conditions of their tax exemption status by partisan
>>     politicking from the pulpit.
>>     And, there are certainly local (as well as state & national)
>>     politicians on both sides of the aisle who’d like us to forget
>>     their campaign promises . . . and lies.
>>     Your “obsessing” comment is yet another in a long line of
>>     examples of your dismissive, condescending, and patronizing jabs
>>     at those who disagree with you.  You’re not the only one, of
>>     course, but you – as are others – are pretty consistent about
>>     it.  You might do well to pay more attention to the plank in your
>>     own eye than to the speck you perceive in the eyes of others.
>>     In my personal opinion, of course J
>>     Ha – and the subject line actually still fits!
>>     Saundra
>>     Moscow, ID
>>     The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
>>     people to do nothing.
>>     ~ Edmund Burke
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