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Yes, I can be flippant at times. For that, I apologize.<br>
<br>
What I was after in that discussion was what *you* thought. You
don't often post your straight opinion on something
climate-related. You reference other papers and blogs, but rarely
do I see you say what *you* think. Of course, I can infer that from
what you're linking into the email, but for once I'd like to see
what you actually think. Are we doomed? Are we going to hit the
worse scenario? Are we realistically looking at a 2C rise in temp
for a doubling of CO2 or 5C or more? Given the realities of the
politics of climate change, what can we have a hope of actually
accomplishing? Should we be concentrating on nuclear power?
Alternative energy? Gas taxes? Etc. That's what my response about
Bill McKibben's post was meant to convey.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 09/14/2011 02:53 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:
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cite="mid:CAJ-QB6U6kUuTA+O7E_FV-AaSOoUdxa89esdkrVfHutuJdfqqkA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul Rumelhart <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm not trying to score points or beat my viewpoint into
others. </div>
<div>------------------</div>
<div>Wow! </div>
<div> </div>
<div>When you once posted a video related to anthropogenic climate
change, and I posted Bill McKibben's response to this video, you
condescendingly dismissed my post and McKibben's response,
because, as you phrased it, "If I had wanted to know what Bill
McKibben thought about it, I'd either have asked him or googled
it." </div>
<div> </div>
<div>In this exchange you clearly wanted the responses to comply
with your dictates! You even expressed this condescension by
lamenting how hard it is to get a discussion going, expressed in
the subject heading, as can be read below referencing Vision2020
posts from this discussion.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As far as I am concerned, offering McKibben's response, from
a environmental scholar very knowledgeable about climate change,
to the video you posted, is offering worthwhile commentary, that
others also might have found worth considering. Not for you, it
appeared. You demanded I give my direct impressions of the
video, dismissing McKibben's response. Talk about beating your
viewpoint into others, while ignoring the commentary of a
scholar whose views on climate change issues are worth
considering, well, that is if you were not so immersed in a
confirmation bias filtered Weltanschauung on climate science!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>[Vision2020] "Hard to Get Discussion Going?" Re: Bill
McKibben Commentary Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video</div>
<div><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071816.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071816.html</a></div>
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<div><strong>Paul Rumelhart</strong> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="[Vision2020] "Hard to Get Discussion Going?"
Re: Bill McKibben Commentary Re: 10:10 "no pressure"
video"
href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20%22Hard%20to%20Get%20Discussion%20Going%3F%22%20Re%3A%20Bill%20McKibben%0A%20Commentary%20Re%3A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTikW2RDQyzcXyZO_Rb0hS3nwUVBBCEy1uvSj9tw7%40mail.gmail.com">godshatter
at yahoo.com </a><br>
<i>Tue Oct 5 16:59:56 PDT 2010</i> </div>
<div><br>
Actually, I was looking for your opinion (and the opinions of
others on <br>
this list). If I had wanted to know what Bill McKibben thought
about <br>
it, I'd either have asked him or googled it.<br>
<br>
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<div>And in another post in this discussion regarding this video
on anthropogenic climate change:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Vision2020] Bill McKibben: "The Climate Skeptics Can Crow"
Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071784.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/071784.html</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div><b>Paul Rumelhart</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="[Vision2020] Bill McKibben: "The Climate Skeptics
Can Crow" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video"
href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Bill%20McKibben%3A%20%22The%20Climate%20Skeptics%20Can%20Crow%22%20Re%3A%0A%2010%3A10%20%22no%20pressure%22%20video&In-Reply-To=AANLkTinE%2Bq_J_E%3Do8YmZEFDnBDa%3Da4O%2B72eewjZ6%3DKU1%40mail.gmail.com">godshatter
at yahoo.com </a><br>
<i>Mon Oct 4 11:43:53 PDT 2010</i> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>*goes down on his knees throwing his hands up in the air*<br>
<br>
I just wanted somebody to watch the (expletive-deleted) film,
for <br>
sobbing out loud!</div>
<div><br>
And, if you (or anyone else) is not too busy, and it doesn't
take too <br>
much time out of your day, and it doesn't conflict with your
religious <br>
convictions, and you just happen to be in the mood, please watch
the <br>
film and let me know what you think.<br>
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<div>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Paul
Rumelhart <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"
class="gmail_quote">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><br>
I've never claimed to be Jesus Christ or Gandhi. Of course
I have issues of my own.<br>
<br>
I find climate change interesting. I read up on it, and
even write programs to graph data. I'm always doing
projects like that, not all of them tied to issues on this
list. It's what I do. My opinion differs from the norm on
climate change, so when someone posts something about it I
often disagree. Sometimes I like to respond as if it were a
public mailing list. <br>
<br>
Why does everyone think that I'm always being dismissive,
condescending, or patronizing? I'm just having a
conversation. I'm not trying to score points or beat my
viewpoint into others. When someone responds, I reply if I
have something to say.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Paul</font>
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<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On 09/14/2011 10:39 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Paul wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">“</span>In my personal opinion, some
people on this list should question whether or not
they are obsessing too much about these people.”<span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Do you mean “obsessing” as in your
obsession to respond to virtually all climate
change posts with which you disagree?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in the
expertise some list members (including yourself)
have pursued to learn about climate change,
mega-loads, child sexual abuse, etc.?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Or, do you mean “obsessing” as in people
not willing to accept your opinion on any
particular topic as gospel as evidenced by
offering opinions/experiences different than
your own???</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">One person’s obsession is another’s
passion, you know. Personally, I’m grateful we
have longer term community members on the Viz
who value community history. There are some
who’d like us to forget about things like SSAIW
& religiously motivated local laws pushed by
their own personal lobbyists actually on the
city council & board of county commissioners
. . . and that unsuccessfully tried to run
stealth anti-public education candidates for the
school board. There are some who’d like us to
forget the role of certain local religious
factions in Proposition 8 & in boycotting
“immoral” local businesses so they can whine
with phony “righteous indignation” when
individuals choose not to patronize their
businesses. And, there are some who’d like us
to forget all about certain local churches that
have been caught dead to rights – and more than
once -- violating the conditions of their tax
exemption status by partisan politicking from
the pulpit.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">And, there are certainly local (as well
as state & national) politicians on both
sides of the aisle who’d like us to forget their
campaign promises . . . and lies.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Your “obsessing” comment is yet another
in a long line of examples of your dismissive,
condescending, and patronizing jabs at those who
disagree with you. You’re not the only one, of
course, but you – as are others – are pretty
consistent about it. You might do well to pay
more attention to the plank in your own eye than
to the speck you perceive in the eyes of others.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">In my personal opinion, of course </span><span
style="font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">J</span><span style="color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Ha – and the subject line actually still
fits!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Saundra</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">Moscow, ID</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">The only thing necessary for the triumph
of evil is for good people to do nothing.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);">~ Edmund Burke</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
125);"> </span></p>
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