[Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)

Mon Sep 12 10:18:20 PDT 2011

Dear "complicated" guy,

Whenever someone like Jim Wilson advocates something so morally reprehensible as giving custody of a molested child to the molester: Creepy-Crawly.

Whenever anyone seeks to justify the advocacy of such a morally reprehensible position by saying such advocacy is OK, nothing to get upset about, because it is based on religious beliefs or it's OK because the advocate's values are different from yours:  Creepy-Crawly.

Child sexual molestation, especially by parents is a very serious and generally life shattering experience for most children who experience it -- it is not like the issue of when to baptize a child.

To condone the advocacy of situations where child sexual molestation is likely to happen and thus help enable that molestation based on religious or other bases it not only offensive to the victims, their parents, and most of society and is not much different from condoning the molestation itself.  Such a cavalier attitude seems to me to approach being sociopathic.

It must be nice to be so "complicated" so as to be able to admire and respect such advocates in view of their other alleged qualities.  Ted Bundy was thought of as a nice, agreeable charming person, so are many others of his ilk; most con artists are nice, agreeable, charming persons.  I assume these have your sycophantic admiration and respect also despite being serial murderers or thieves.

There is room for debate about many values.  However, in my opinion there is very little room for debate about the evils of child sexual molestation or the enabling of it.

w.

From: Paul Rumelhart 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:02 PM
To: Art Deco 
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)

I'm a complicated guy.  

I find it possible to admire someone's positive qualities whilst still disagreeing with some actions they may have taken.  By saying that I respect or admire this or that quality in someone I am *not* endorsing every single action they have ever taken or have thought about or will do.

Do you think it's possible he thought what he was doing was the right thing to do, based on his particular ideals of right and wrong?  Or is he some kind of monster who really wants to see this kid abused?

Paul

On 09/11/2011 08:32 PM, Art Deco wrote: 
  Jim Wilson may appear to be the nicest old codger in the world.

  When he advocates that a father be given custody of a child the father sexually molested, he has removed himself from most people's, but apparently not yours, respect and admiration.  Such advocacy would hardly be characterized as "caring" by most parents and normal folk.  

  You, of course, are entitled to use "caring" in the manner you choose; don't bee surprised if others look at you askance when you use the word in such a way.

  I hope the world is not overly peopled by those you find to be "honest and "caring."

  w.

  From: Paul Rumelhart 
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:51 PM
  To: Art Deco 
  Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)

  Don't take my description of what I've seen of his character as an endorsement of whatever decisions he has made as an official in his church.  He and I don't share the same religious views or value systems.

  I can say that he struck me as an honest and caring individual every time I've met him.  Take that for what it' worth.  Maybe somebody, somewhere, might find that information useful.

  You know, it is possible to find good qualities in someone as well as bad ones.  It's also possible that someone might do something they think is right according to one value system that looks wrong when viewed in light of another one.

  Do you think it's possible that he has some admirable qualities, or is he some bastardized combination of Kim Jong-Il, Jeffrey Dahmer, and Charlie Sheen all rolled into one?

  Paul

  On 09/11/2011 03:59 PM, Art Deco wrote: 
    Maybe this is one of Jim Wilson's qualities you admire:

    A male member of his church was convicted of sexually molesting his child.  The wife filed for divorce.  During the child custody proceedings, Jim Wilson testified in favor of the father, then a convicted pedophile, being given custody of the child he defiled.

    Yes, Jim Wilson is your kind of guy -- "regular" just like you described Douglas Wilson, who imported for us Jamin Wight, Steven Sitler, et al -- just a "regular" bunch of predators on the under aged, but only just down to two-year-olds in Sitler's case.

    w.

    From: Paul Rumelhart 
    Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:13 PM
    To: Saundra Lund ; 'Art Deco' 
    Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com 
    Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)

    Aren't all churches, all across the country, tax exempt?

    I don't know what you're referring to when you say he lied under oath, so I really can't comment on it.

    Anyway, my apologies for noticing the guy's positive qualities.

    Paul

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    From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
    To: 'Paul Rumelhart' <godshatter at yahoo.com>; 'Art Deco' <deco at moscow.com>
    Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
    Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:38 PM
    Subject: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)

    In part, Paul wrote:
    “I know Jim Wilson personally.  He's an extremely nice and respectful individual, and (despite not agreeing with him on matters of faith) is as sane as anyone on this list.  He's the kind of guy that would give you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it more than he.  If he thinks a certain way about something, it's because that's his honest interpretation from reading his Bible.”

    Huh – you must know a different Jim Wilson than do I because I personally don’t give a rip how “nice” or “respectful” someone may be if honesty & integrity are lacking, as is the case with Jim Wilson wanting a free tax ride & expecting government – which means you & me -- to pay for his ride.  My friends will remember how completely shocked & disappointed I was that Wilson had no difficulty being dishonest under oath.  Pathetic.

    Personally, I don’t think it’s OK to be disingenuous – at best – just to stick the rest of us with CCM’s tax bill, and I don’t think God thinks it’s OK, either.  Lying, cheating, stealing – or being intentionally obtuse -- are OK as long as long as you’re ripping off those who don’t share a particular faith, eh?  Not in my faith, and not in my world, it isn’t.

    Hypocrisy is hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and we know that it pains you, Paul, but it’s even more reprehensible when it comes from so-called “religious leaders” like Jim Wilson.

    Saundra Lund
    Moscow, ID

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.
    ~ Edmund Burke

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