[Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)

[Tom Hansen]

Yes, Paul.

And Hitler simply made a bad career move, huh?

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


On Mon, September 12, 2011 10:18 am, Art Deco wrote:
> Dear "complicated" guy,
>
> Whenever someone like Jim Wilson advocates something so morally
> reprehensible as giving custody of a molested child to the molester:
> Creepy-Crawly.
>
> Whenever anyone seeks to justify the advocacy of such a morally
> reprehensible position by saying such advocacy is OK, nothing to get upset
> about, because it is based on religious beliefs or it's OK because the
> advocate's values are different from yours:  Creepy-Crawly.
>
> Child sexual molestation, especially by parents is a very serious and
> generally life shattering experience for most children who experience it
> -- it is not like the issue of when to baptize a child.
>
> To condone the advocacy of situations where child sexual molestation is
> likely to happen and thus help enable that molestation based on religious
> or other bases it not only offensive to the victims, their parents, and
> most of society and is not much different from condoning the molestation
> itself.  Such a cavalier attitude seems to me to approach being
> sociopathic.
>
> It must be nice to be so "complicated" so as to be able to admire and
> respect such advocates in view of their other alleged qualities.  Ted
> Bundy was thought of as a nice, agreeable charming person, so are many
> others of his ilk; most con artists are nice, agreeable, charming persons.
>  I assume these have your sycophantic admiration and respect also despite
> being serial murderers or thieves.
>
> There is room for debate about many values.  However, in my opinion there
> is very little room for debate about the evils of child sexual molestation
> or the enabling of it.
>
> w.
>
>
> From: Paul Rumelhart
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:02 PM
> To: Art Deco
> Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial
> Events)
>
>
>
> I'm a complicated guy.
>
> I find it possible to admire someone's positive qualities whilst still
> disagreeing with some actions they may have taken.  By saying that I
> respect or admire this or that quality in someone I am *not* endorsing
> every single action they have ever taken or have thought about or will do.
>
> Do you think it's possible he thought what he was doing was the right
> thing to do, based on his particular ideals of right and wrong?  Or is he
> some kind of monster who really wants to see this kid abused?
>
> Paul
>
> On 09/11/2011 08:32 PM, Art Deco wrote:
>   Jim Wilson may appear to be the nicest old codger in the world.
>
>   When he advocates that a father be given custody of a child the father
> sexually molested, he has removed himself from most people's, but
> apparently not yours, respect and admiration.  Such advocacy would
> hardly be characterized as "caring" by most parents and normal folk.
>
>   You, of course, are entitled to use "caring" in the manner you choose;
> don't bee surprised if others look at you askance when you use the word
> in such a way.
>
>   I hope the world is not overly peopled by those you find to be "honest
> and "caring."
>
>   w.
>
>
>   From: Paul Rumelhart
>   Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:51 PM
>   To: Art Deco
>   Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial
> Events)
>
>
>
>   Don't take my description of what I've seen of his character as an
> endorsement of whatever decisions he has made as an official in his
> church.  He and I don't share the same religious views or value systems.
>
>   I can say that he struck me as an honest and caring individual every
> time I've met him.  Take that for what it' worth.  Maybe somebody,
> somewhere, might find that information useful.
>
>   You know, it is possible to find good qualities in someone as well as
> bad ones.  It's also possible that someone might do something they think
> is right according to one value system that looks wrong when viewed in
> light of another one.
>
>   Do you think it's possible that he has some admirable qualities, or is
> he some bastardized combination of Kim Jong-Il, Jeffrey Dahmer, and
> Charlie Sheen all rolled into one?
>
>   Paul
>
>   On 09/11/2011 03:59 PM, Art Deco wrote:
>     Maybe this is one of Jim Wilson's qualities you admire:
>
>     A male member of his church was convicted of sexually molesting his
> child.  The wife filed for divorce.  During the child custody
> proceedings, Jim Wilson testified in favor of the father, then a
> convicted pedophile, being given custody of the child he defiled.
>
>     Yes, Jim Wilson is your kind of guy -- "regular" just like you
> described Douglas Wilson, who imported for us Jamin Wight, Steven
> Sitler, et al -- just a "regular" bunch of predators on the under
> aged, but only just down to two-year-olds in Sitler's case.
>
>     w.
>
>
>     From: Paul Rumelhart
>     Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:13 PM
>     To: Saundra Lund ; 'Art Deco'
>     Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>     Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)
>
>
>     Aren't all churches, all across the country, tax exempt?
>
>
>     I don't know what you're referring to when you say he lied under oath,
> so I really can't comment on it.
>
>
>
>     Anyway, my apologies for noticing the guy's positive qualities.
>
>
>     Paul
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     From: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
>     To: 'Paul Rumelhart' <godshatter at yahoo.com>; 'Art Deco'
> <deco at moscow.com>
>     Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>     Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:38 PM
>     Subject: Hypocrisy (was RE: September 11th Memorial Events)
>
>
>     In part, Paul wrote:
>     “I know Jim Wilson personally.  He's an extremely nice and
> respectful individual, and (despite not agreeing with him on matters
> of faith) is as sane as anyone on this list.  He's the kind of guy
> that would give you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it
> more than he.  If he thinks a certain way about something, it's
> because that's his honest interpretation from reading his Bible.”
>
>     Huh – you must know a different Jim Wilson than do I because I
> personally don’t give a rip how “nice” or “respectful”
> someone may be if honesty & integrity are lacking, as is the case with
> Jim Wilson wanting a free tax ride & expecting government – which
> means you & me -- to pay for his ride.  My friends will remember how
> completely shocked & disappointed I was that Wilson had no difficulty
> being dishonest under oath.  Pathetic.
>
>     Personally, I don’t think it’s OK to be disingenuous – at best
> – just to stick the rest of us with CCM’s tax bill, and I don’t
> think God thinks it’s OK, either.  Lying, cheating, stealing – or
> being intentionally obtuse -- are OK as long as long as you’re
> ripping off those who don’t share a particular faith, eh?  Not in my
> faith, and not in my world, it isn’t.
>
>     Hypocrisy is hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and we know that it pains you,
> Paul, but it’s even more reprehensible when it comes from so-called
> “religious leaders” like Jim Wilson.
>
>
>     Saundra Lund
>     Moscow, ID
>
>     The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
> do nothing.
>     ~ Edmund Burke
>
>
>
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