[Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com

[Dan Carscallen]

There are supposed to be "good Samaritan" laws in place to protect those who are trying to help, otherwise why would anyone bother trying in this litigious society?

Of course, there are risks, as Wayne mentioned, but some of the worst are if there is some sort of spinal injury. But if it's a choice between burning to death or making a risky move, go ahead and move me.

As an aside, whether it's for everyone's assurance or whatever, we are trained in "rapid extrication" techniques, but we are also trained that our safety comes first. We already have one patient, we don't want to get careless and create another.

DC

On May 14, 2011, at 17:34, "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com> wrote:

> Sometimes amateur help is disastrous.  Moving someone whose internal bleeding has clotted may cause it to begin again and thus cause death.
>  
> w.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Rumelhart
> To: Reggie Holmquist
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com ; Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
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> Didn't they even put laws in place to make sure that you couldn't be sued if you did help but made things worse?  Which is a legitimate concern if such laws were put in place.  Amateur help is not always better than no help at all.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 05/14/2011 04:18 PM, Reggie Holmquist wrote:
>> 
>> We covered this pretty extensively in Torts last semester.  There is no duty to help someone else unless you have a special relationship with that person (guardian, for example).  CPR certification does not create a duty that I am aware of.  If it did, that would only discourage people from getting CPR certification.
>> 
>> -Reggie
>> 
>> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Tom,
>>  
>> If you are CPR certified you are required to help.  
>>  
>>  
>> Donovan Arnold
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from lmtribune.com
>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 1:23 PM
>> 
>> 
>> Donovan Arnold stated:
>> 
>> "Nobody is morally or ethically responsible to prevent a bad event if
>> their action knowingly would result in something worse."
>> 
>> In my opinion moral and ethical responsibility is determined individually.
>> 
>> If I were fishing from a dock on Lake Coeur d'Alene and observed a child
>> slowly drowning . . . although I may not be legally responsible . . . I
>> would consider myself to be ethically and morally responsible to take
>> action to prevent the child from drowning.
>> 
>> Footnote:  If I were fishing on a lake in Germany and observed a child
>> drowning, I WOULD BE legally responsible to take action to prevent the
>> child from drowning.  I could be arrested and jailed in Germany, but not
>> in the United States.  If you were to drive by an unattended accident and
>> didn't stop to offer help, you would be held criminally liable.
>> 
>> Just some laws I think the US should consider.
>> 
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>> 
>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
>> changeand the Realist adjusts his sails."
>> 
>> - Unknown
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