<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>There are supposed to be "good Samaritan" laws in place to protect those who are trying to help, otherwise why would anyone bother trying in this litigious society?</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, there are risks, as Wayne mentioned, but some of the worst are if there is some sort of spinal injury. But if it's a choice between burning to death or making a risky move, go ahead and move me.</div><div><br></div><div>As an aside, whether it's for everyone's assurance or whatever, we are trained in "rapid extrication" techniques, but we are also trained that our safety comes first. We already have one patient, we don't want to get careless and create another.<br><br>DC</div><div><br>On May 14, 2011, at 17:34, "Art Deco" <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font size="2">Sometimes amateur help is disastrous. Moving someone
whose internal bleeding has clotted may cause it to begin again and thus cause
death.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a title="godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul
Rumelhart</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu" href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> ; <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:45
PM</div>
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<div><br></div><br>Didn't they even put laws in place to make sure that you
couldn't be sued if you did help but made things worse? Which is a
legitimate concern if such laws were put in place. Amateur help is not
always better than no help at all.<br><br>Paul<br><br>On 05/14/2011 04:18 PM,
Reggie Holmquist wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:BANLkTi=dmj3dVb1bTw3Tu=h9GYKat-ryLQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">We covered this pretty extensively in Torts last semester.
There is no duty to help someone else unless you have a special relationship
with that person (guardian, for example). CPR certification does not
create a duty that I am aware of. If it did, that would only
discourage people from getting CPR certification.<br><br>-Reggie<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a></a>></span>
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<div>If you are CPR certified you are required to help. </div>
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<div>Donovan Arnold
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<div class="im">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Breaking news from
<span>lmtribune</span>.com<br></div>To: "Donovan Arnold" <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a></a>>, "Joe
Campbell" <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a>>, "<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>><br>Date:
Saturday, May 14, 2011, 1:23 PM
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<div>Donovan Arnold stated:<br><br>"Nobody is morally or ethically
responsible to prevent a bad event if<br>their action knowingly
would result in something worse."<br><br>In my opinion moral and
ethical responsibility is determined individually.<br><br>If I
were fishing from a dock on Lake Coeur d'Alene and observed a
child<br>slowly drowning . . . although I may not be legally
responsible . . . I<br>would consider myself to be ethically and
morally responsible to take<br>action to prevent the child from
drowning.<br><br>Footnote: If I were fishing on a lake in
Germany and observed a child<br>drowning, I WOULD BE legally
responsible to take action to prevent the<br>child from
drowning. I could be arrested and jailed in Germany, but
not<br>in the United States. If you were to drive by an
unattended accident and<br>didn't stop to offer help, you would be
held criminally liable.<br><br>Just some laws I think the US
should consider.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"The
Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it
to<br>changeand the Realist adjusts his sails."<br><br>-
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