[Vision2020] Jus' When You Thought Things Couln't Get MoreStupid . . .
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Tue Jan 25 07:37:21 PST 2011
I think a legitimate issue has been raised by the suit, and one whose eventual resolution, if it has not been already resolved elsewhere, will have some important impacts for educational institutions.
I hope that the UI does not waste its much needed resources, especially now after the UI President's appeal to the state legislature, on this suit by hiring outside counsel. The issue is not a complex one, and one I suspect, but do not know for sure, where recent court cases will have greatly narrowed the issues, if not decided the eventual outcome.
If the present UI Counsel and his staff are unable to effectively argue the case in court, then perhaps it is time to re-evaluate the UI Counsel and staff. In the past, the UI has squandered much resources on outside counsel. With all the online legal resources now available, one would hope a competent attorney could research, brief, and argue this issue without outside help.
Wayne A. Fox
1009 Karen Lane
PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID 83843
waf at moscow.com
208 882-7975
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Price
To: Moscow Vision 2020
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jus' When You Thought Things Couln't Get MoreStupid . . .
Tom,
I agree with the two statements you made. However in your "bonus round' you started talking about a "newly availed freedom", and there I have to disagree with you, that freedom has been with us
since December 15th, 1791, hardly "newly availed".
Also in light of the District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), and McDonald v. Chicago (2010), I have a feeling from reading them that the Supreme Court will eventually
agree that in state owned housing, you can't require a citizen to give up a fundamental Constitutional right just to live there. See my comment on waiving your fundamental
Constitutional right to search and seizure just to live in state owned housing.
Wayne
On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
Two things, Mr. Price -
1) The South Hill Vista apartments are, in fact, state-owned housing.
2) If residents of these state-owned dwellings are permitted to store
firearms and ammunition within these state-owned dwellings, there is
nothing to prevent residents of state-owned dorms (including those dorm
residents who habitually consume such copious amounts of alcohol as to
fall out of second-floor windows) from possessing and storing firearms and
ammunition within their dorm rooms.
And for the bonus round, might I add that the first fatality resulting
from this newly availed freedom may, subsequently, place the state (along
with the State Board of Education and UI President Duane Nellis) in court
once again . . . as defendents in a wrongful death lawsuit.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
On Mon, January 24, 2011 7:11 pm, Wayne Price wrote:
Paul,
If we can agree that South Hill Vista, in one way or the other is in
fact state housing, then I can't see how a rule waiving a fundamental
Constitutional Right in order to live in that state housing will be held
by the court(s) to pass Constitutional review.
I worded it above specifically to look at the issue of waiving a
fundamental Constitutional right to take out all the possible animus
of what can be a "hot button" topic, and strictly look at it as a
Constitutional issue. For example, can the University of Idaho, as a
"state" entity require people to waive the right of search and seizure
in a state owned residence? IF the answer is yes, that would mean a
law enforcement agency to enter University housing, in this case South
Hill Vista, would NOT need a search warrant. Can we live with that?
Wayne
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