[Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

Thu Feb 24 19:59:44 PST 2011

Far be it for me to try to confuse you with facts since I think most of us
understand it's not facts or reality you're interested in but rather
inaccurate, uninformed, and biased rhetoric, but for those not
pathologically adverse to reality . . . 

Fact is that private insurance carriers have had years & years to police
themselves and to implement desperately needed reforms to stop rampant
institutional corporate abuse, yet the greedy bastards have steadfastly
refused to do so & instead put their personal greed above human lives and
behaving ethically or morally.

Additionally, state insurance departments & commissioners have, for the most
part, also failed to appropriately regulate or even enforce existing
sanctions when it comes to private health insurance carriers.  For instance,
the Idaho Department of Insurance for years & years has been aware of
private carriers hawking worthless coverage in areas where the carriers have
no participating providers (they call it "the adequacy of provider networks
issue"), yet they've consistently failed to take action to protect
consumers.

Which is yet another example of the gross failure of the free market, and
hence the absolute necessity and indeed the moral imperative of real &
meaningful reform not left up to those who have completely & utterly failed
to police & reform themselves (private health insurance) and various
impotent (for whatever reason - they ran out of their little blue pills or
they find it burdensome to convince state legislators like the majority of
Idaho's current crop of morons of what's needed) state regulators.

Me?  I'll gladly put my faith in my federal government when the industry
itself & state regulators have consistently & disastrously dropped the ball
- it cannot be any worse that what the greedy industry bastards have gotten
away with for decades.  Say what you want, but the vast majority of those
served by Medicare & military health care think the federal government has
done a pretty darn good job in those areas.

The real irony, however, is your position:  your opinion is that the federal
government is too inept to reform health care, but for some unfathomable
reason that highlights the inconsistency of your worldview, you think my
womb & my reproductive choices are a good place for any government to stick
its nose.  You also think that the government should define what constitutes
real love, family, marriage, and a whole host of other private personal
decisions.   And, you're fat & happy with the 20% of federal spending on
military (about $740 BILLION in FY2009 alone, an expense that grew by about
9% per year for 2000-2009) but don't trust the federal government to reform
health care.  The illogic of your thinking is absolutely stunning.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life plus
70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****

From: the lockshop [mailto:lockshop at pull.twcbc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:46 AM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Ron Force'; 'Art Deco'; 'Vision 2020'
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

These clowns can't handle keeping telemarketers on the straight and narrow
and you want to turn twenty percent of the American economy over to them in
the form of your health care?

"those with the power to STOP this kind of crap don't care about
we-the-people . . . they are in the pockets of those whose financial
interest it's in to keep those loopholes open & enforcement of even anemic
provisions non-existent."

It will be these same people, the folks who bought us the social
security/medicaid debacle and yes the do not call legislation, who will be
in charge of your chemotherapy, your heart bypass, and your hip replacement.

Think your angry and frustrated now?

g

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Saundra Lund <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>  

To: 'Ron Force' <mailto:rforce2003 at yahoo.com>  ; 'Art Deco'
<mailto:deco at moscow.com>  ; 'Vision 2020' <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:04 PM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

Like Wayne, we've been on the Do Not Call Registry since its inception (we
registered 6/28/2003), yet pre-recorded robo-calls from "Rachel with Card
Services" has been calling us once or twice a month for 2-3 years in spite
of the fact that we don't have "at least $5000" in credit card debt that's
the amount they're interested in, apparently - yes, I, too, have played the
fishing game with them.

And, I - along with probably thousands, if not tens of thousands of people
sick of being harassed - have faithfully filed detailed complaints each &
every time we've gotten the robo-calls from "Card Services."  Not only have
I faithfully filed the complaint forms with the Do Not Call Registry, I also
regularly fill out this FCC complaint form each & every time:

http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm?sid=d1e37
<http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm?sid=d1e37&id=d1e60> &id=d1e60

Fat lot of good it's ever done.

To me, this is just another example of how far behind technology advances
privacy & consumer protection laws have been allowed to fall because those
with the power to STOP this kind of crap don't care about we-the-people . .
. they are in the pockets of those whose financial interest it's in to keep
those loopholes open & enforcement of even anemic provisions non-existent.

With junk postal mail, at least the direct marketers are footing the bill
for annoying me & they don't interrupt meals, sleep, visitors, gardening,
and all kinds of other activities of life, and they sure don't verbally
abuse me the way the "representatives" of "Card Services" do when I ask in
vain for the thousandth time to be removed from their damn call list.  With
these slimy telemarketers, they are taking advantage of a service I pay for
my personal convenience as a way to harass me with impunity day & night.
Only in a country where greed and corporate interests are more important
than the rights of individual consumers would such lunacy be allowed and
even advocated by those we elect.  It's disgusting, pure & simple.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2011 through life plus
70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Ron Force
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 10:23 PM
To: Art Deco; Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

File a complaint:

https://complaints.donotcall.gov/complaint/complaintcheck.aspx?panel=2

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA

  _____  

From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 3:36:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

We have been signed up for years.  Rachael and her friends call us several
times weekly.

w.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ron Force <mailto:rforce2003 at yahoo.com>  

To: Carl Westberg <mailto:idahovandal1 at live.com>  ; vision2020 at moscow.com 

Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

Sign up here:

https://www.donotcall.gov/

Forbids all commercial calls except from those you've done business before.
Charities and politicians are exempt (unfortunately).

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA 

  _____  

From: Carl Westberg <idahovandal1 at live.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 2:09:41 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] "Credit Card Services"

Has anyone else had the repeated pleasure of phone calls from "Credit Card
Services"?  I've had several, usually from "Rachel", who proceeds to tell me
or my answering machine that "while there's nothing wrong with your account
right now, it's "urgent" that you contact us right away for better interest
rates".......which is the point where I always rudely hang up on poor
"Rachel".  I probably got my first call at least a year ago, and have
received about a dozen since. It's an obvious scam designed to bilk more
gullible folk into giving out there bank and account number.  How do these
people get away with this stuff?  This is a rhetorical question.....

  _____  

=======================================================
 List services made available by First Step Internet, 
 serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
               http://www.fsr.net                       
          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
=======================================================

  _____  

=======================================================
 List services made available by First Step Internet, 
 serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.   
               http://www.fsr.net                       
          mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
======================================================= 

  _____  

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3463 - Release Date: 02/23/11
03:32:00

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20110224/b04274a0/attachment-0001.html 