[Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by others

[Joe Campbell]

How much are we talking about here? How much is one of the "Cadillac" bike
racks? How does it compare to the price of a "minimum" bike rack?

It is interesting that you don't mind the city paying for the paving of
roads given some of your arguments. Not everyone drives.

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>  You are correct in that I do not want to eliminate all standards but, the
> standards should be the minimum required to maintain public safety. I would
> be slightly less vexed if the standards being altered WERE for the city and
> its amenities. The standards appear to be solely for private property and
> ITS amenities. As I have said before, if businesses and apartment owners are
> experiencing a problem or are losing revenue for the lack of posh bike
> parking they can deal with the problem in a manner that works for them and
> no government hand holding is required.
>
> As for your other points, if they are as laudable as you claim why not
> allow all the communities taxpayers to share the joy in making the world so
> much better a place to live?
> Why has the city not taken the initiative and upgraded the public racks to
> the new Cadillac standard? And last but far from least, why is the city
> micro managing private citizens expenditures when there are streets within
> blocks of many of the towns most major though fairs which aren't even paved
> yet? That’s hard on bike tires you know.
>
> g
>
>  *From:* Bill London <london at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:44 PM
> *To:* Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> ; Robert Dickow<dickow at uidaho.edu>; 'the
> lockshop' <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> ; vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Cc:* wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us ; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us ;
> wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us ; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us ; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us;
> dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us ; tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
> some-payedforby others
>
>
> G-
> As I understand the ordinance now before the Council, bike racks will be
> required only on NEW OR EXPANDED apartment buildings or businesses.  In
> other words, the ordinance would alter the standards Moscow sets for changes
> to the city and its amenities.
> I doubt that you would like to eliminate all standards, so the question
> becomes: what standards are appropriate now and what criteria are
> appropriate now?
> Requiring bike racks encourages bike use, increased bike use is an
> excellent strategy to meet national (as well as city) goals in traffic
> control, obesity targets, lessening reliance on foreign oil, etc.  In sum, a
> more livable town.   That’s a reasonable standard.
> BL
>
>  *From:* Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:14 PM
> *To:* Robert Dickow <dickow at uidaho.edu> ; 'the lockshop'<lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Cc:* wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us ; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us ;
> wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us ; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us ; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us;
> dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us ; tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid
> for by others
>
>  That being the case, why not leave it up to the individual business to
> make the decision
> to woo you and your bulging wallet in by providing hermetically sealed, air
> conditioned, gem encrusted bike accommodations?
>
> Should the city, with its unerring eye for economic bounty, decide to dip
> into its coffers and build a bike rack on every corner of every block
> taxpayers would howl and rightly so.
> Even though such a scheme would have the ultimate beneficiaries paying at
> least a portion of the cost and result in a similar number or parking slots,
> voters would see it for the wasteful boondoggle that it is. Forcing the
> expense off onto private property owners doesn't make it any better.
>
> g
>
>
> g
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Robert Dickow" <dickow at uidaho.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:05 PM
> To: "'the lockshop'" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Cc: <dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us>; <tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us>; <
> wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us>; <sscott at ci.moscow.id.us>; <
> nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us>; <wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us>; <
> tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for
> by others
>
> > Curiously, Instead of 'government intrusion into business' I thought it
> was
> > quite the opposite. I thought the bike parking issue was for the benefit
> of
> > the business, not the bikers. Heck, if I knew I could tie my bike up in
> such
> > a parking facility I would do 100% of my shopping downtown by bike.
> Usually
> > in the past I would tie my bike to a tree or post, lacking other handy
> > facilities, and discover that my lock chain didn't fit around the tree...
> > blah blah blah, so there was a disincentive. Businesses... think of the
> > growth of business in town!
> >
> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of the lockshop
> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:39 AM
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Cc: wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us;
> > wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us
> ;
> > dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us; tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
> > Subject: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by
> > others
> >
> > Does anyone other then myself wonder why the city in its infinite wisdom
> > doesn't spend a little more time worrying about city property and assets
> and
> >
> > a little less time trying to dream up ways to inflict itself on private
> > property owners, developers, and businesses? I'm speaking of course about
>
> > the councils latest intrusion into the lives of its business community,
> the
> > proposed bike parking ordnance. <snip>...
> >
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