How much are we talking about here? How much is one of the "Cadillac" bike racks? How does it compare to the price of a "minimum" bike rack?<br><br>It is interesting that you don't mind the city paying for the paving of roads given some of your arguments. Not everyone drives.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Gary Crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">You are correct in that I do not want to
eliminate all standards but, the standards should be the minimum required to
maintain public safety. I would be slightly less vexed if the standards being
altered WERE for the city and its amenities. The standards appear to be solely
for private property and ITS amenities. As I have said before, if businesses and
apartment owners are experiencing a problem or are losing revenue for the
lack of posh bike parking they can deal with the problem in a manner that
works for them and no government hand holding is required.</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">As for your other points, if they are as
laudable as you claim why not allow all the communities taxpayers to share the
joy in making the world so much better a place to live?</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Why has the city not taken the initiative
and upgraded the public racks to the new Cadillac standard? And last but far
from least, why is the city micro managing private citizens expenditures when
there are streets within blocks of many of the towns most major though fairs
which aren't even paved yet? That’s hard on bike tires you know.</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:london@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:london@moscow.com" target="_blank">Bill London</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:44 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> ; <a title="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">Robert Dickow</a> ; <a title="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" target="_blank">'the lockshop'</a> ; <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
some-payedforby others</div></div></div>
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<div>As I understand the ordinance now before the Council, bike racks will be
required only on NEW OR EXPANDED apartment buildings or businesses. In
other words, the ordinance would alter the standards Moscow sets for changes to
the city and its amenities.</div>
<div>I doubt that you would like to eliminate all standards, so the question
becomes: what standards are appropriate now and what criteria are appropriate
now?</div>
<div>Requiring bike racks encourages bike use, increased bike use is an
excellent strategy to meet national (as well as city) goals in traffic control,
obesity targets, lessening reliance on foreign oil, etc. In sum, a more
livable town. That’s a reasonable standard.</div>
<div>BL</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">Gary Crabtree</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="dickow@uidaho.edu" href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">Robert Dickow</a> ; <a title="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" target="_blank">'the lockshop'</a> ; <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us" href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us" href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us" href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</a> ; <a title="tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us" href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
some-paid for by others</div></div></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">That being the case, why not leave it up
to the individual business to make the decision<br>to woo you and your bulging
wallet in by providing hermetically sealed, air conditioned, gem encrusted bike
accommodations?</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Should the city, with its unerring eye for
economic bounty, decide to dip into its coffers and build a bike rack on every
corner of every block taxpayers would howl and rightly so.</font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Even though such a scheme would have the
ultimate beneficiaries paying at least a portion of the cost and result in a
similar number or parking slots, voters would see it for the wasteful boondoggle
that it is. Forcing the expense off onto private property owners doesn't make it
any better.</font></div>
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<div><br><br>g<br><br>--------------------------------------------------<br>From:
"Robert Dickow" <<a href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">dickow@uidaho.edu</a>><br>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011
1:05 PM<br>To: "'the lockshop'" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" target="_blank">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a>>;
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>Cc: <<a href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</a>>;
<<a href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</a>>; <<a href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</a>>;
<<a href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</a>>; <<a href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</a>>;
<<a href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</a>>; <<a href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</a>><br>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by
others<br><br>> Curiously, Instead of 'government intrusion into business' I
thought it was<br>> quite the opposite. I thought the bike parking issue was
for the benefit of<br>> the business, not the bikers. Heck, if I knew I could
tie my bike up in such<br>> a parking facility I would do 100% of my shopping
downtown by bike. Usually<br>> in the past I would tie my bike to a tree or
post, lacking other handy<br>> facilities, and discover that my lock chain
didn't fit around the tree...<br>> blah blah blah, so there was a
disincentive. Businesses... think of the<br>> growth of business in
town!<br>> <br>> Bob Dickow, troublemaker<br>> <br>> -----Original
Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>> On Behalf Of the lockshop<br>>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:39 AM<br>> To:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Cc: <a href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</a>;
<a href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</a>;<br>> <a href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</a>; <a href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</a>;
<a href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</a>;<br>> <a href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</a>;
<a href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us" target="_blank">tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</a><br>> Subject: [Vision2020] deluxe parking
accommodations for some-paid for by<br>> others<br>> <br>> Does anyone
other then myself wonder why the city in its infinite wisdom <br>> doesn't
spend a little more time worrying about city property and assets and<br>>
<br>> a little less time trying to dream up ways to inflict itself on private
<br>> property owners, developers, and businesses? I'm speaking of course
about <br>> the councils latest intrusion into the lives of its business
community, the <br>> proposed bike parking ordnance. <snip>...<br>>
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