[Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by others
Gary Crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Sun Feb 6 07:13:37 PST 2011
It is interesting that you don't mind the city paying for the paving of roads given some of your arguments. Not everyone drives.
I'm not sure what your point would be with this comment. The bike riders use the street. The food that most folks eat is delivered by trucks that utilize the pavement. The police, fire, and ambulance personnel that serve most everyone drive. The water dept. uses the streets to keep the water that most everyone drinks flowing. In one way or the other streets serve everyone in the city. Bike racks most certainly do not.
Also we are not talking about the city paying for these racks (which I also think would be a bad idea) We are talking about the city forcing private property owners to provide an accommodation that will benefit a small number of other individuals whether they need to or not.
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From: Joe Campbell
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:45 AM
To: Gary Crabtree
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by others
How much are we talking about here? How much is one of the "Cadillac" bike racks? How does it compare to the price of a "minimum" bike rack?
It is interesting that you don't mind the city paying for the paving of roads given some of your arguments. Not everyone drives.
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
You are correct in that I do not want to eliminate all standards but, the standards should be the minimum required to maintain public safety. I would be slightly less vexed if the standards being altered WERE for the city and its amenities. The standards appear to be solely for private property and ITS amenities. As I have said before, if businesses and apartment owners are experiencing a problem or are losing revenue for the lack of posh bike parking they can deal with the problem in a manner that works for them and no government hand holding is required.
As for your other points, if they are as laudable as you claim why not allow all the communities taxpayers to share the joy in making the world so much better a place to live?
Why has the city not taken the initiative and upgraded the public racks to the new Cadillac standard? And last but far from least, why is the city micro managing private citizens expenditures when there are streets within blocks of many of the towns most major though fairs which aren't even paved yet? That’s hard on bike tires you know.
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From: Bill London
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:44 PM
To: Gary Crabtree ; Robert Dickow ; 'the lockshop' ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us ; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us ; wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us ; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us ; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us ; dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us ; tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-payedforby others
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As I understand the ordinance now before the Council, bike racks will be required only on NEW OR EXPANDED apartment buildings or businesses. In other words, the ordinance would alter the standards Moscow sets for changes to the city and its amenities.
I doubt that you would like to eliminate all standards, so the question becomes: what standards are appropriate now and what criteria are appropriate now?
Requiring bike racks encourages bike use, increased bike use is an excellent strategy to meet national (as well as city) goals in traffic control, obesity targets, lessening reliance on foreign oil, etc. In sum, a more livable town. That’s a reasonable standard.
BL
From: Gary Crabtree
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:14 PM
To: Robert Dickow ; 'the lockshop' ; vision2020 at moscow.com
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by others
That being the case, why not leave it up to the individual business to make the decision
to woo you and your bulging wallet in by providing hermetically sealed, air conditioned, gem encrusted bike accommodations?
Should the city, with its unerring eye for economic bounty, decide to dip into its coffers and build a bike rack on every corner of every block taxpayers would howl and rightly so.
Even though such a scheme would have the ultimate beneficiaries paying at least a portion of the cost and result in a similar number or parking slots, voters would see it for the wasteful boondoggle that it is. Forcing the expense off onto private property owners doesn't make it any better.
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From: "Robert Dickow" <dickow at uidaho.edu>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:05 PM
To: "'the lockshop'" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: <dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us>; <tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us>; <wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us>; <sscott at ci.moscow.id.us>; <nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us>; <wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us>; <tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by others
> Curiously, Instead of 'government intrusion into business' I thought it was
> quite the opposite. I thought the bike parking issue was for the benefit of
> the business, not the bikers. Heck, if I knew I could tie my bike up in such
> a parking facility I would do 100% of my shopping downtown by bike. Usually
> in the past I would tie my bike to a tree or post, lacking other handy
> facilities, and discover that my lock chain didn't fit around the tree...
> blah blah blah, so there was a disincentive. Businesses... think of the
> growth of business in town!
>
> Bob Dickow, troublemaker
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of the lockshop
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:39 AM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Cc: wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us;
> wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us; nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us;
> dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us; tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
> Subject: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by
> others
>
> Does anyone other then myself wonder why the city in its infinite wisdom
> doesn't spend a little more time worrying about city property and assets and
>
> a little less time trying to dream up ways to inflict itself on private
> property owners, developers, and businesses? I'm speaking of course about
> the councils latest intrusion into the lives of its business community, the
> proposed bike parking ordnance. <snip>...
>
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