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<DIV>It is interesting that you don't mind the city paying for the paving of
roads given some of your arguments. Not everyone drives.<BR><BR><EM><FONT
color=#000000 face=Calibri>I'm not sure what your point would be with this
comment. The bike riders use the street. The food that most folks eat is
delivered by trucks that utilize the pavement. The police, fire, and ambulance
personnel that serve most everyone drive. The water dept. uses the streets
to keep the water that most everyone drinks flowing. In one way or the other
streets serve everyone in the city. Bike racks most certainly do not.
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<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Also we are not talking about the city
paying for these racks (which I also think would be a bad idea) We are talking
about the city forcing private property owners to provide an accommodation that
will benefit a small number of other individuals whether they need to or
not.</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 06, 2011 6:45 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=london@moscow.com href="mailto:london@moscow.com">Bill
London</A> ; <A title="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu">Robert Dickow</A> ; <A
title="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us">dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us">tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us">wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us">sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us">nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us">wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us">tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
some-paid for by others</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>How much are we talking about here? How much is one of the
"Cadillac" bike racks? How does it compare to the price of a "minimum" bike
rack?<BR><BR>It is interesting that you don't mind the city paying for the
paving of roads given some of your arguments. Not everyone drives.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Gary Crabtree <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>You are correct in that I do not want to
eliminate all standards but, the standards should be the minimum required to
maintain public safety. I would be slightly less vexed if the standards being
altered WERE for the city and its amenities. The standards appear to be solely
for private property and ITS amenities. As I have said before, if businesses
and apartment owners are experiencing a problem or are losing revenue for
the lack of posh bike parking they can deal with the problem in a manner
that works for them and no government hand holding is required.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>As for your other points, if they are as
laudable as you claim why not allow all the communities taxpayers to share the
joy in making the world so much better a place to live?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Why has the city not taken the
initiative and upgraded the public racks to the new Cadillac standard? And
last but far from least, why is the city micro managing private citizens
expenditures when there are streets within blocks of many of the towns most
major though fairs which aren't even paved yet? That’s hard on bike tires you
know.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:london@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:london@moscow.com" target=_blank>Bill London</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target=_blank>Gary Crabtree</A> ; <A
title="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu" target=_blank>Robert Dickow</A> ; <A
title="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" target=_blank>'the lockshop'</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us" target=_blank>tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</A>
; <A
title="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target=_blank>sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</A>
; <A
title="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us" target=_blank>tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
some-payedforby others</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>As I understand the ordinance now before the Council, bike racks will be
required only on NEW OR EXPANDED apartment buildings or businesses. In
other words, the ordinance would alter the standards Moscow sets for changes
to the city and its amenities.</DIV>
<DIV>I doubt that you would like to eliminate all standards, so the question
becomes: what standards are appropriate now and what criteria are appropriate
now?</DIV>
<DIV>Requiring bike racks encourages bike use, increased bike use is an
excellent strategy to meet national (as well as city) goals in traffic
control, obesity targets, lessening reliance on foreign oil, etc. In
sum, a more livable town. That’s a reasonable standard.</DIV>
<DIV>BL</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target=_blank>Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=dickow@uidaho.edu href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu"
target=_blank>Robert Dickow</A> ; <A
title="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" target=_blank>'the lockshop'</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us
href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us" target=_blank>tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</A>
; <A
title="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A title=sscott@ci.moscow.id.us
href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target=_blank>sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</A>
; <A title=nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title=dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</A> ; <A
title=tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
some-paid for by others</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>That being the case, why not leave it up
to the individual business to make the decision<BR>to woo you and your bulging
wallet in by providing hermetically sealed, air conditioned, gem encrusted
bike accommodations?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Should the city, with its unerring eye
for economic bounty, decide to dip into its coffers and build a bike rack on
every corner of every block taxpayers would howl and rightly so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Even though such a scheme would have the
ultimate beneficiaries paying at least a portion of the cost and result in a
similar number or parking slots, voters would see it for the wasteful
boondoggle that it is. Forcing the expense off onto private property owners
doesn't make it any better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>g<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Robert Dickow" <<A href="mailto:dickow@uidaho.edu"
target=_blank>dickow@uidaho.edu</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011
1:05 PM<BR>To: "'the lockshop'" <<A href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"
target=_blank>lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by others<BR><BR>>
Curiously, Instead of 'government intrusion into business' I thought it
was<BR>> quite the opposite. I thought the bike parking issue was for the
benefit of<BR>> the business, not the bikers. Heck, if I knew I could tie
my bike up in such<BR>> a parking facility I would do 100% of my shopping
downtown by bike. Usually<BR>> in the past I would tie my bike to a tree or
post, lacking other handy<BR>> facilities, and discover that my lock chain
didn't fit around the tree...<BR>> blah blah blah, so there was a
disincentive. Businesses... think of the<BR>> growth of business in
town!<BR>> <BR>> Bob Dickow, troublemaker<BR>> <BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: <A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]<BR>> On Behalf Of the
lockshop<BR>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:39 AM<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Cc: <A
href="mailto:wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wkrauss@ci.moscow.id.us</A>; <A
href="mailto:tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>tbrown@ci.moscow.id.us</A>;<BR>> <A
href="mailto:wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>wmsteed@ci.moscow.id.us</A>; <A
href="mailto:sscott@ci.moscow.id.us" target=_blank>sscott@ci.moscow.id.us</A>;
<A href="mailto:nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>nchaney@ci.moscow.id.us</A>;<BR>> <A
href="mailto:dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>dcarscallen@ci.moscow.id.us</A>; <A
href="mailto:tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us"
target=_blank>tlamar@ci.moscow.id.us</A><BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] deluxe
parking accommodations for some-paid for by<BR>> others<BR>> <BR>>
Does anyone other then myself wonder why the city in its infinite wisdom
<BR>> doesn't spend a little more time worrying about city property and
assets and<BR>> <BR>> a little less time trying to dream up ways to
inflict itself on private <BR>> property owners, developers, and
businesses? I'm speaking of course about <BR>> the councils latest
intrusion into the lives of its business community, the <BR>> proposed bike
parking ordnance. <snip>...<BR>> <BR>>
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