[Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll

Tue Aug 23 10:32:21 PDT 2011

Sorry, Paul, but when tax exempt properties are being used for money-making
Christian sexinars, that changes the equation, don’t you think?
Particularly,  it seems to me, when those involved in the sexinar consider
their peculiar flavor of Christianity to be the moral authority for the rest
of us & use their religion as a reason to restrict the liberties of the rest
of us.

Remember, too, that it was the Nazarene Church that allowed the church to be
used for a candidate specific prayerfest on Election Day in May, 2010.  At
the time, I was willing to accept the explanation that the church had been
misled by Bouma’s campaign manager.  Now?  Not so much.

I didn’t follow the story too much, but I seem to recall that someone was
complaining about how the rental fees for the 1912 Building is damaging the
private sector.  Unless the whiners are nothing more than rank hypocrites,
they need to be complaining about churches like the Nazarene Church that
rent out space undercutting their profits as well.

Further, IMO, all taxpayers should be mad as heck that our tax dollars are
subsidizing money-making Christian sexinars by the likes of Wilson &
Driscoll at a time when they are all for gutting the safety net for the
disabled, elderly, and economically challenged men, women, and children in
this country, not to mention the destruction of public education.

But, that’s just me – someone who cares about everyone regardless of their
religion and someone who doesn’t think of non-Christians as devil spawn and
gays of deserving death, etc.

Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.

~ Edmund Burke

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:48 AM
To: Art Deco; Moscow Vision 2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll

Odd.

Traditionally, it's the liberal community's job to defend all things sexual
in nature from the ire of offended puritanical right-wing fundamentalists.

I must have crossed over into Opposite Land last night when I went to sleep.
How do you get back?  Find the portal and travel away from it?  Don't look
for it at all and fall into it by mistake?

I hope I figure it out soon.  On the plus side, Facebook is a lot more
private here and Microsoft is working hard to get Windows on 10% of user's
desktops.

Paul

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From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
To: Moscow Vision 2020 <Vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll

With all the buzz about the Christ Church Cult's scheduling of sexually
obsessed so-called pastor Mark Driscoll who receives pornographic visions
from Jesus, a couple of interest comments have passed almost unnoticed.

Vera White commented briefly about the latest Wilson-steps-on-his-dick-again
snafu in last week's Ink.  [See complete Ink comment below].

One paragraph is of special interest:

The INKster tried for two days to reach Wilson for comment, but was told he
was busy with back-to-back meetings. She did however talk to Assistant
Pastor Mike Lawyer Friday who explained the conference might attract "people
from all over the world" and the agenda would include a Minister's
Conference for men titled "The Puritan Five," and for females a session
called "Dangerous Women."

First, Wilson, whose invitation to Driscoll and inept, illogical defense of
that invitation has been widely criticized and lampooned in the Reformed
Community of which Wilson is the alleged leader(at least for now), hasn't
got the courage to discuss it very far outside his own cloistered circle.  

Second, a friend who is not on V2020 but reads the Ink asked me if it was
possible that Mike Lawyer possibly misspoke or was misquoted in the above
paragraph.  She wonders instead of "people from all over the world", what
was really should have appeared was "perverts from all over the world."

w.

____________________________

Vera White, The Ink, Moscow-Pullman Daily News

....

The INKster had never heard of Pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church in
Seattle until the outraged postings started appearing on Vision2020 this
week. What stirred up such solid citizens as Saundra Lund of Moscow is

Nazarene Church Pastor Ed Eby's willingness to rent his Church for an
appearance by Driscoll.

"I cannot imagine that the community will be overly impressed that the
Nazarene Church has rented itself out for a 'sexinar,' " Lund concluded.

In Eby's defense, he rented out his church to Doug Wilson and Christ Church
elders, sponsors of Driscoll's appearance next month at a conference titled
"The Grace Agenda: All of Christ for All of Life for All The World."

Driscoll has a blog on which in 2008 he answered such questions as: Can I
perform anal sex on my wife? Can we use sex toys? My wife likes to
masturbate me upon occasion and wants to know how to get better at it. What
should she do?

The INKster tried for two days to reach Wilson for comment, but was told he
was busy with back-to-back meetings. She did however talk to Assistant
Pastor Mike Lawyer Friday who explained the conference might attract "people
from all over the world" and the agenda would include a Minister's
Conference for men titled "The Puritan Five," and for females a session
called "Dangerous Women."

How well does Lawyer know Driscoll?

"I've read some of his recent stuff," Lawyer said. "We feel his stuff is
appropriate and like him as far as we know. We respect him and his
ministry."

The INKster tried to reach Eby but ended up talking to temporary church
secretary Mary Jane Bauer.

"Pastor Eby doesn¹t want to talk about Driscoll right now as he says he is
still researching the matter," said Bauer, who has been a member of the
church for 30 years. "I've never heard of Driscoll, but we rent out the
church to many different groups.²

After the INKster explained a bit about Driscoll's style, Bauer said she
"highly doubts she will be attending."

...the blotter rests.

_______________________

Wayne A. Fox
wayne.a.fox at gmail.com

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