[Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gavea Damn

[Warren Hayman]

Hello All,

Long ago and far away, I turned 25. I was in Maryland, visiting family, recently returned from a while spent out of the country.  I was trying to celebrate the 1/4 century mark with friends at a watering hole. I was not driving that day, and back freshly, did not even have my driver's license with me. I had, out of habit at the time, my passport. The tender of the establishment refused the service of a beer, saying that passports as proof of identity were too easily altered. Yes, he was an idiot. Although I love to think that I looked underage and all that, I hope there's a point here.

Just saying,

Warren Hayman


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Force 
  To: Tom Hansen ; Andreas Schou 
  Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 
  Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gavea Damn


  That is an interesting question. How do you prove that you're the person referred to in the documents? Look at the number of people who got passports from a deceased person's birth certificate. There's no biometric data on driver's licenses (DL), SS Cards, or the US passport card, except for height, weight, & hair and eye color on the DL. Even the new "Biometric Passports" that the US is issuing have only an encoded picture and physical description. They're depending on facial recognition software to match the picture to the person. The EU is adding fingerprint info to theirs as well. Of course, privacy advocates are freaking out, particularly since the info is stored on an RFID chip, and could theoretically be stolen.

  The FBI has my fingerprints on file, but who knows how long it would take to access them.

  I hate to think that I actually resemble  my DL & passport photos, and they could be matched to me. 


  Ron Force
  Moscow ID USA


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  From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
  To: Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com>
  Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:40:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gave a Damn

  Andreas Schou stated:

  "Your driver's license is not proof of citizenship, nor is your social
  security card. Your passport might be."

  How true.  How true, Andreas.

  So, then . . .

  If I, Tom Hansen, were new to Moscow . . . say I moved here from
  out-of-state . . .

  If somebody were to call the Moscow Police Department reporting that "that
  new neighbor of mine . . . I think his name is Tom Hansen . . . might be
  an undocumented Canadian,", the MPD would be obligated to obtain documents
  from me proving my citizenship.

  If I didn't have documents to prove my citizenship, the Moscow Police
  Department would place me in lockup until such time that my citizenship is
  sufficiently proven.  Being new to Idaho . . . and from out-of-state . . .
  that may take a while.

  And the Al-Qaeda . . . They hate us for are freedoms, right?

  Tom Hansen
  Moscow, Idaho

  "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
  and the Realist adjusts his sails."

  - Unknown


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