[Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gavea Damn

[Sunil Ramalingam]

I have this nutty idea that free people shouldn't have to produce identification just because the Man or Woman asks for it.

Sunil

From: whayman at roadrunner.com
To: rforce2003 at yahoo.com; thansen at moscow.com; ophite at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:20:03 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gavea	Damn










Hello All,
 
Long ago and far away, I turned 25. I was in Maryland, visiting family, 
recently returned from a while spent out of the country.  I was trying to 
celebrate the 1/4 century mark with friends at a watering hole. I was not 
driving that day, and back freshly, did not even have my driver's license with 
me. I had, out of habit at the time, my passport. The tender of the 
establishment refused the service of a beer, saying that passports as proof of 
identity were too easily altered. Yes, he was an idiot. Although I love to think 
that I looked underage and all that, I hope there's a point here.
 
Just saying,
 
Warren Hayman
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

  From: 
  Ron Force 
  
  To: Tom Hansen ; Andreas Schou 
  Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 
  Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The 2008 
  Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gavea Damn
  

  
  That is an interesting question. How do you prove that you're the person 
  referred to in the documents? Look at the number of people who got passports 
  from a deceased person's birth certificate. There's no biometric data on 
  driver's licenses (DL), SS Cards, or the US passport card, except for height, 
  weight, & hair and eye color on the DL. Even the new "Biometric Passports" 
  that the US is issuing have only an encoded picture and physical description. 
  They're depending on facial recognition software to match the picture to the 
  person. The EU is adding fingerprint info to theirs as well. Of course, 
  privacy advocates are freaking out, particularly since the info is stored on 
  an RFID chip, and could theoretically be stolen.

The FBI has my 
  fingerprints on file, but who knows how long it would take to access 
  them.

I hate to think that I actually resemble  my DL & 
  passport photos, and they could be matched to me. 

  
Ron 
  Force
Moscow ID USA

  
  
  From: Tom Hansen 
  <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Andreas Schou 
  <ophite at gmail.com>
Cc: 
  Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:40:27 
  PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 
  The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gave a Damn

Andreas 
  Schou stated:

"Your driver's license is not proof of citizenship, nor 
  is your social
security card. Your passport might be."

How 
  true.  How true, Andreas.

So, then . . .

If I, Tom Hansen, 
  were new to Moscow . . . say I moved here from
out-of-state . . .

If 
  somebody were to call the Moscow Police Department reporting that "that
new 
  neighbor of mine . . . I think his name is Tom Hansen . . . might be
an 
  undocumented Canadian,", the MPD would be obligated to obtain 
  documents
from me proving my citizenship.

If I didn't have documents 
  to prove my citizenship, the Moscow Police
Department would place me in 
  lockup until such time that my citizenship is
sufficiently proven.  
  Being new to Idaho . . . and from out-of-state . . .
that may take a 
  while.

And the Al-Qaeda . . . They hate us for are freedoms, 
  right?

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"The Pessimist complains 
  about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
and the Realist adjusts 
  his sails."

- 
  Unknown


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