[Vision2020] Security Contract

[Ron Force]

I heard this as well-- that the MPD chose not to bid on that portion of the 
contract. Anyone got an inside source at the city to verify?

Ron Force
Moscow ID USA




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From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
To: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm>
Cc: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 10:35:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Security Contract

Saundra,

What really amazed me was that the recent  press quotes from the University 
President implies that it was the City of Moscow that didn't want the "security" 
part of the contract. 

Has anyone got a reading on this from the city?  I'm pretty sure that with 
another 300 to 400k tossed into the contract, the City could have sent up some 
sort of adaptation
that would have met the Universities needs. So, if what Dr. Nellis alleges is 
true, why did the city  not try to be a bit more creative for an additional 300 
- 400k? 





On Aug 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:

Wayne, it’s even crazier:  my understanding (from experts in the field) is that 
hiring AlliedBarton is sheer fiscal irresponsibility.  Why?  Because if the UI 
is concerned about the alcohol related deaths and injuries at the frat houses, 
those frat houses are on private property, so the AB guards won’t be able to 
stick a toe onto that private property without invitation, something that’s 
apparently common knowledge in the nation’s higher ed community of security & 
safety professionals.  This is why historically private security companies like 
AlliedBarton are relegated to “property protection” roles and staffing desks 
at university-owned housing to check who goes in & out 
of university-owned property.
> 
>I suppose if each property owner negotiated with AB to provide services, the 
>story would be different.  What do you think the odds are that’s going to 
>happen???
> 
>Now, if anyone has information to the contrary, please share because while the 
>experts I’ve spoken with are very familiar with safety & security issues on 
>college campuses, they don’t have knowledge about the UI specifically.  Does the 
>UI own the frat & sorority houses around campus or are they the property of the 
>nationals?
> 
> 
> 
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
> 
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do 
>nothing.
>~ Edmund Burke
> 
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>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On 
>Behalf Of Art Deco
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:34 AM
>To: Vision 2020
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Security Contract
> 
>Here's part of what I don't understand about the UI security issue:  If this was 
>an open bid process, what was left to negotiate/discuss, let alone 
>negotiate/discuss in secret?  Shouldn't the bid terms have clearly spelled 
>everything out?  If not, then the bid process needs to be done again, correctly 
>(which excludes Lloyd Mues).
> 
>I fail to see how unarmed security personnel are going to help with the alcohol 
>problem which allegedly is part of the motivation.  These unfortunate 
>pseudocops are very likely to end up being great objects of ridicule and 
>pranking especially if they to concentrate on the Greek community as has been 
>alleged.  [That's what has happened elsewhere.] 
> 
>The alcohol problem has many facets including the need for an intelligent 
>(perhaps too much to expect now from the present UI personnel concerned) and 
>very persistent, deep reaching education and prevention program.  More 
>enforcement is clearly needed.  Why not leave that further enforcement to the 
>professionals, the MPD, with a little help with closer communication, and not 
>with a security firm [AlliedBarton] which simple Googling shows are much less 
>than stellar in performance and integrity.
> 
>
>Wayne A. Fox
>1009 Karen Lane
>PO Box 9421
>Moscow, ID  83843
> 
>waf at moscow.com
>208 882-7975
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