[Vision2020] Uncommon reading
Carl Westberg
idahovandal1 at live.com
Tue May 26 18:14:16 PDT 2009
I have no further ideas on this, Bear. I have no answers. I'm now going to continue my PS3 MLB 09 The Show baseball game between Seattle and the White Sox where I left off last night. Mariners are ahead 5-1 in the fourth inning, but Chicago is threatening with runners on first and third with only one out. Wish me luck.
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:01:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> From: bear at moscow.com
> To: idahovandal1 at live.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> Carl,
>
> You have a valid point when you wrote "While academics
> clearly are number 1, the diversion of athletics and the memories
> created for fans is important to the college experience, also.", and I
> agree, BUT
> there has to be a college to go to to have a college experience!
>
> Imagine if you will, a university President, or even an acting president
> saying, "OK legislature/ regents, you have given me X amount of dollars to
> run the university this year. I plan to cut out ALL inter-collegiate
> sports, because they are not part of the core function of the university.
> IF and when there is an up roar from the collegiate sports fans, YOU take
> the heat for it!". A university president that say academics come first
> at this university.
>
> And again, when money is plentiful, then it's not an issue, but in times
> like this, it is.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > While I do not believe that academic programs should be cut in lieu of
> > athletic programs, I, like Jennifer, am a fan of college athletics, and
> > particularly Idaho Vandal sports. Have been since way back when Jerry
> > Kramer and Wayne Walker suited up for Vandal football in the 1950s. I
> > was very young, but I remember those days. In the remarkable
> > basketball season of 1963, when Gus Johnson lit up Memorial Gym, I
> > recall having to stand in line for tickets 3 hours before tipoff. Ray
> > McDonald carrying 4 hapless defenders into the end zone at Neale
> > Stadium in the mid 1960s. Of course, Don Monson's basketball team
> > beating Iowa at the buzzer in the NCAA tournament in 1982, propelling
> > Idaho into the Sweet 16. All those moments and more are a strong part
> > of the fabric that is the U of I. And for those advocating a drop to
> > the Big Sky because of the ill fortunes of the football team, football
> > isn't the only sport played here. Yes, the football program has
> > struggled, but the basketball programs, both men's and women's, are
> > making a huge turnaround, and the Vandals have done just fine in the
> > WAC in many other sports, such as track and field. While academics
> > clearly are number 1, the diversion of athletics and the memories
> > created for fans is important to the college experience, also. IMHO.
> > Carl Westberg Jr.
> >
> >> From: jennifer at inlandradio.com
> >> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:18 -0800
> >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> >>
> >> I don't remember where I read it but very few--about 19, I
> >> believe--athletic
> >> programs across the nation actually directly make a profit for their
> >> school
> >> (the average deficit was somewhere in the $9 million range). That being
> >> said, since when did making a profit for the school become a requirement
> >> for
> >> any program whether athletic or academic? I'm a fan of college sports.
> >> I'm
> >> also a fan of academics. I think we'd lose enrollment and endowment
> >> dollars
> >> if we cut unprofitable athletic programs from UI (read: all?). Losing
> >> enrollment and endowment money would lead to huge budget cuts in all or
> >> most
> >> academic programs. This doesn't mean I think we should increase these
> >> programs exponentially, but I think it's foolish to think that having
> >> them
> >> doesn't contribute to the overall health of the school.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Jennifer
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >> On Behalf Of lfalen
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:01 AM
> >> To: keely emerinemix; Chris Price; whayman at roadrunner.com
> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> >>
> >> I could not agree more.
> >> Roger
> >> -----Original message-----
> >> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1 at msn.com
> >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:31:44 -0700
> >> To: Chris Price bear at moscow.com, whayman at roadrunner.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The idea that collegiate sports programs are rah-rah opportunities for
> >> proud students and alumni to bond over three-hour games is a lovely one
> >> --
> >> and about as quaint, outdated, and irrelevant as my grandmother's fox
> >> stole.
> >> It's a whole different . . . uh . . . game nowadays, where athletes are
> >> recruited solely on the basis of athletic skill and scholars are
> >> recruited
> >> all too rarely. I realize that UI sports programs raise revenue. I
> >> also
> >> know they cost a tremendous amount. Has anyone studied the cost/profit
> >> ratio of these programs? I'm the mother of a Vandal student and the
> >> daughter of a Vandal grad. Both my son and my father contributed
> >> nothing at
> >> all to the success of Vandal sports programs, and I'd like to think that
> >> their academic contributions mattered at least as much as the ability of
> >> other "students" to throw a football.
> >> >
> >> > There's something wrong when even one academic program is cut when
> >> athletic expenditures are increasing.
> >> >
> >> > Keely
> >> > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:09:11 -0700
> >> > > From: bear at moscow.com
> >> > > To: whayman at roadrunner.com
> >> > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > TYPICAL! we cut academic programs, but God forbid that we cut
> >> wasteful
> >> > > athletics! Bubba can PLAY football, he just can't spell it! Is there
> >> > > something wrong with our local universities turning out Nobel
> >> winners
> >> > > rather than second rate athletes?
> >> > >
> >> > > The purpose of the universities, ESPECIALLY the land grant
> >> universities,
> >> > > of which both U of I and WSU are, is to EDUCATE not turn out such
> >> fine
> >> > > examples of professional athletics as Ryan Leaf! [Ryan David Leaf
> >> is a
> >> > > former American football quarterback who played for the San Diego
> >> > > Chargers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dallas Cowboys between 1998 and
> >> 2001.
> >> > > His brother Brady was a quarterback for the University of Oregon
> >> Ducks.
> >> > > Leaf had a successful college career at Washington State University,
> >> where
> >> > > he was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in his junior year. He was
> >> > > selected as the second overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft after
> >> Peyton
> >> > > Manning of the University of Tennessee, and many scouts predicted he
> >> would
> >> > > actually be a better pro than Manning. However, his time as a
> >> professional
> >> > > lasted only four years, and was marked by injuries, poor relations
> >> with
> >> > > teammates and the media, and poor performance. He is widely regarded
> >> as
> >> > > one of the biggest busts in NFL and professional sports history.]
> >> > >
> >> > > Before ANY academic programs are cut from a real university, the
> >> semi-pro
> >> > > athletics need to be done away with.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Comments?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ---------------------------
> >> > > > So much for the Pollanation of ideas at a land grant institution.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Warren Hayman
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Dave" <tiedye at turbonet.com>
> >> > > > To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >> > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:19 AM
> >> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> WSU halts "common reading" program. I guess some clear talk
> >> about
> >> our
> >> > > >> food is too much for some.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/may/21/wsu-drops-reading-program/
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Maybe they could burn them all in a bonfire and have a weenie
> >> roast.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Dave
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:
> >> > > >> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.
> >> > > >>
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