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I have no further ideas on this, Bear. I have no answers. I'm now going to continue my PS3 MLB 09 The Show baseball game between Seattle and the White Sox where I left off last night. Mariners are ahead 5-1 in the fourth inning, but Chicago is threatening with runners on first and third with only one out. Wish me luck.<br><br>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 18:01:15 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading<br>> From: bear@moscow.com<br>> To: idahovandal1@live.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> <br>> Carl,<br>> <br>> You have a valid point when you wrote "While academics<br>> clearly are number 1, the diversion of athletics and the memories<br>> created for fans is important to the college experience, also.", and I<br>> agree, BUT<br>> there has to be a college to go to to have a college experience!<br>> <br>> Imagine if you will, a university President, or even an acting president<br>> saying, "OK legislature/ regents, you have given me X amount of dollars to<br>> run the university this year. I plan to cut out ALL inter-collegiate<br>> sports, because they are not part of the core function of the university. <br>> IF and when there is an up roar from the collegiate sports fans, YOU take<br>> the heat for it!". A university president that say academics come first<br>> at this university.<br>> <br>> And again, when money is plentiful, then it's not an issue, but in times<br>> like this, it is.<br>> <br>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > While I do not believe that academic programs should be cut in lieu of<br>> > athletic programs, I, like Jennifer, am a fan of college athletics, and<br>> > particularly Idaho Vandal sports. Have been since way back when Jerry<br>> > Kramer and Wayne Walker suited up for Vandal football in the 1950s. I<br>> > was very young, but I remember those days. In the remarkable<br>> > basketball season of 1963, when Gus Johnson lit up Memorial Gym, I<br>> > recall having to stand in line for tickets 3 hours before tipoff. Ray<br>> > McDonald carrying 4 hapless defenders into the end zone at Neale<br>> > Stadium in the mid 1960s. Of course, Don Monson's basketball team<br>> > beating Iowa at the buzzer in the NCAA tournament in 1982, propelling<br>> > Idaho into the Sweet 16. All those moments and more are a strong part<br>> > of the fabric that is the U of I. And for those advocating a drop to<br>> > the Big Sky because of the ill fortunes of the football team, football<br>> > isn't the only sport played here. Yes, the football program has<br>> > struggled, but the basketball programs, both men's and women's, are<br>> > making a huge turnaround, and the Vandals have done just fine in the<br>> > WAC in many other sports, such as track and field. While academics<br>> > clearly are number 1, the diversion of athletics and the memories<br>> > created for fans is important to the college experience, also. IMHO.<br>> > Carl Westberg Jr.<br>> ><br>> >> From: jennifer@inlandradio.com<br>> >> To: kjajmix1@msn.com<br>> >> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:24:18 -0800<br>> >> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading<br>> >><br>> >> I don't remember where I read it but very few--about 19, I<br>> >> believe--athletic<br>> >> programs across the nation actually directly make a profit for their<br>> >> school<br>> >> (the average deficit was somewhere in the $9 million range). That being<br>> >> said, since when did making a profit for the school become a requirement<br>> >> for<br>> >> any program whether athletic or academic? I'm a fan of college sports.<br>> >> I'm<br>> >> also a fan of academics. I think we'd lose enrollment and endowment<br>> >> dollars<br>> >> if we cut unprofitable athletic programs from UI (read: all?). Losing<br>> >> enrollment and endowment money would lead to huge budget cuts in all or<br>> >> most<br>> >> academic programs. This doesn't mean I think we should increase these<br>> >> programs exponentially, but I think it's foolish to think that having<br>> >> them<br>> >> doesn't contribute to the overall health of the school.<br>> >><br>> >> Sincerely,<br>> >><br>> >> Jennifer<br>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>> >> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>> >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> >> On Behalf Of lfalen<br>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:01 AM<br>> >> To: keely emerinemix; Chris Price; whayman@roadrunner.com<br>> >> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com; tiedye@turbonet.com<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading<br>> >><br>> >> I could not agree more.<br>> >> Roger<br>> >> -----Original message-----<br>> >> From: keely emerinemix kjajmix1@msn.com<br>> >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:31:44 -0700<br>> >> To: Chris Price bear@moscow.com, whayman@roadrunner.com<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading<br>> >><br>> >> ><br>> >> > The idea that collegiate sports programs are rah-rah opportunities for<br>> >> proud students and alumni to bond over three-hour games is a lovely one<br>> >> --<br>> >> and about as quaint, outdated, and irrelevant as my grandmother's fox<br>> >> stole.<br>> >> It's a whole different . . . uh . . . game nowadays, where athletes are<br>> >> recruited solely on the basis of athletic skill and scholars are<br>> >> recruited<br>> >> all too rarely. I realize that UI sports programs raise revenue. I<br>> >> also<br>> >> know they cost a tremendous amount. Has anyone studied the cost/profit<br>> >> ratio of these programs? I'm the mother of a Vandal student and the<br>> >> daughter of a Vandal grad. Both my son and my father contributed<br>> >> nothing at<br>> >> all to the success of Vandal sports programs, and I'd like to think that<br>> >> their academic contributions mattered at least as much as the ability of<br>> >> other "students" to throw a football.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > There's something wrong when even one academic program is cut when<br>> >> athletic expenditures are increasing.<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Keely<br>> >> > http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > > Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:09:11 -0700<br>> >> > > From: bear@moscow.com<br>> >> > > To: whayman@roadrunner.com<br>> >> > > CC: vision2020@moscow.com; tiedye@turbonet.com<br>> >> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > TYPICAL! we cut academic programs, but God forbid that we cut<br>> >> wasteful<br>> >> > > athletics! Bubba can PLAY football, he just can't spell it! Is there<br>> >> > > something wrong with our local universities turning out Nobel<br>> >> winners<br>> >> > > rather than second rate athletes?<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > The purpose of the universities, ESPECIALLY the land grant<br>> >> universities,<br>> >> > > of which both U of I and WSU are, is to EDUCATE not turn out such<br>> >> fine<br>> >> > > examples of professional athletics as Ryan Leaf! [Ryan David Leaf<br>> >> is a<br>> >> > > former American football quarterback who played for the San Diego<br>> >> > > Chargers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Dallas Cowboys between 1998 and<br>> >> 2001.<br>> >> > > His brother Brady was a quarterback for the University of Oregon<br>> >> Ducks.<br>> >> > > Leaf had a successful college career at Washington State University,<br>> >> where<br>> >> > > he was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy in his junior year. He was<br>> >> > > selected as the second overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft after<br>> >> Peyton<br>> >> > > Manning of the University of Tennessee, and many scouts predicted he<br>> >> would<br>> >> > > actually be a better pro than Manning. However, his time as a<br>> >> professional<br>> >> > > lasted only four years, and was marked by injuries, poor relations<br>> >> with<br>> >> > > teammates and the media, and poor performance. He is widely regarded<br>> >> as<br>> >> > > one of the biggest busts in NFL and professional sports history.]<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > Before ANY academic programs are cut from a real university, the<br>> >> semi-pro<br>> >> > > athletics need to be done away with.<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > Comments?<br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >> ---------------------------<br>> >> > > > So much for the Pollanation of ideas at a land grant institution.<br>> >> > > ><br>> >> > > > Warren Hayman<br>> >> > > ><br>> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----<br>> >> > > > From: "Dave" <tiedye@turbonet.com><br>> >> > > > To: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >> > > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:19 AM<br>> >> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Uncommon reading<br>> >> > > ><br>> >> > > ><br>> >> > > >> WSU halts "common reading" program. I guess some clear talk<br>> >> about<br>> >> our<br>> >> > > >> food is too much for some.<br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >><br>> >> http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/may/21/wsu-drops-reading-program/<br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >> Maybe they could burn them all in a bonfire and have a weenie<br>> >> roast.<br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >> Dave<br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >> --<br>> >> > > >> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<br>> >> > > >> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<br>> >> > > >><br>> >> > > >> =======================================================<br>> >> > > >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > > >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > > >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > > >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > > >> =======================================================<br>> >> > > ><br>> >> > > > =======================================================<br>> >> > > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > > > =======================================================<br>> >> > > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > ><br>> >> > > =======================================================<br>> >> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> > > =======================================================<br>> >> ><br>> >> > _________________________________________________________________<br>> >> > Insert movie times and more without leaving HotmailR.<br>> >> ><br>> >> http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori<br>> >> al_QuickAdd1_052009<br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >><br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> =======================================================<br>> ><br>> > _________________________________________________________________<br>> > Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.<br>> > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009=======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br><br /><hr />Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! 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