[Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top Aviator
g. crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Thu May 21 17:13:51 PDT 2009
Funny. Your ursine pal quotes from the same study I cited (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) as well as the hugely discredited Kinsey report in a failed attempt to bear up his spurious assertion of 10% of America's population being gay and yet you find my numbers...curious. Could it be that Yogi's numbers "look better" because they more closely match up with your preconceived notions?
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: <bear at moscow.com>
Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <bear at moscow.com>; "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top Aviator
> This looks better.
>
> The Crabtree information, including the citation, is in quotes,
> indicating it was lifted from a website or whatever. I wonder where it
> came from.
>
> You're right, though, Bear the percentage is irrelevant.
> Discrimination is wrong regardless of the percentage. But the Crabtree
> numbers are ... curious.
>
>
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On May 21, 2009, at 7:33 AM, bear at moscow.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I think we are trying to count how many angels can dance on the head
>> of a
>> pin, and depending on what study you use, the numbers vary.
>>
>> The bottom line is, they have a right to serve, let them!
>>
>> The average ratio from several studies are that 9.37% of men are
>> homosexual and 4.87% of women are homosexual in the US. The Central
>> Intelligence Agency estimates that there are 149,346,264 men and
>> 154,478,382 women in the US which would statistically equate to
>> 13,993,745
>> gay men & 7,523,097 lesbians in the US for a total of just over 21.5
>> Million.
>>
>> In 1995, a survey (The prevalence of homosexual behavior and
>> attraction in
>> the United States, the United Kingdom and France: Results of national
>> population-based samples - Sell, Wells, and Wypij) reported 6.2% of
>> males
>> and 3.6% of females in the United States report having had sexual
>> contact
>> with someone of the same sex in the previous 5 years.
>>
>> A 1994 study (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices
>> in
>> the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) reported
>> that the
>> incidence rate of homosexual desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for
>> women.
>>
>> A 1993 study (The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior - Janus and Janus)
>> found
>> 9% of men and 5% of women were involved in frequent or ongoing
>> homosexual
>> experiences.
>>
>> A 1990 study (Homosexuality/Heterosexuality by McWhirter, Sanders, and
>> Reinisch) stated 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females had
>> "extensive" or
>> "more than incidental" homosexual experience.
>>
>> The Indiana University Kinsey Reports (Sexual Behavior in the Human
>> Male -
>> Kinsey, Pomeroy, and Martin/Sexual Behavior in the Human Female -
>> Kinsey,
>> Pomeroy, Martin, and Gerhard) reported 10% of males being more or less
>> exclusively homosexual and 2% to 6% of females being more or less
>> exclusively homosexual.
>>
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>>
>>> Where is this from?
>>>
>>> Joe Campbell
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2009, at 6:14 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "1.51% of the total U.S. population identifies themselves as gay,
>>>> lesbian or bisexual, or 4.3 total million Americans. These numbers
>>>> are based on figures provided by a broad-based coalition of gay
>>>> rights organizations and homosexual advocacy groups. The primary
>>>> source cited was the The National Health and Social Life Survey
>>>> (NHSLS), published in the book The Social Organization of Sex:
>>>> Sexual Practices in the United States (1994), by Laumann, Gagnon,
>>>> Michael and Michaels. "
>>>>
>>>> And,
>>>>
>>>> "Referring to the Laumann study, the gay rights coalition stated
>>>> that in the United States 2.8% of males age 18 or older, and 1.4% of
>>>> females age 18 or older are homosexual, gay, lesbian or bisexual. We
>>>> have applied their figures to the 2003 U.S. population (284,800,000
>>>> total population, according to the U.S. Census Bureau). 0.9% of
>>>> women identify themselves as lesbians (excluding bisexuals), which
>>>> equates to 0.32% of total U.S. population being lesbians. 2 percent
>>>> of men identify themselves as gay (excluding bisexuals), which
>>>> equates to 0.7% of total U.S. population being gay men. Source:
>>>> National study published in Laumann, et al., The Social Organization
>>>> of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994)"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top Aviator
>>>>
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly the only way that we can put a number on it is based on
>>>> the fact
>>>>> that a nations military forces reflects the statistics of that
>>>> nation. It
>>>>> is estimated that about 10% of the US population is gay,
>>>> therefore, it
>>>>> safe to make the assumption that some where around 6,000 of those
>>>> on the
>>>>> Wall were gay (5, 819.5 for those of you out there doing the math).
>>>>>
>>>>> Even more interesting when you look at those numbers based on WW2
>>>> troop
>>>>> numbers, and really more revealing when you consider that there
>>>> have been
>>>>> 3,465 Medal of Honor winners, resulting in 346 gay Medal of Honor
>>>> winners.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an old First Sergeant that used to tell our troops, that one
>>>> in
>>>>> three people in America has some sort of psychological problem. So
>>>> in this
>>>>> formation, look to your left, and look to your right, and if those
>>>> two
>>>>> guys look OK, it's YOU!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have asked this question before, and it bears repeating again
>>>> coupled
>>>>>> with serious concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are 58,195 names on the Vietnam Memorial Wall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many, would you estimate, belong to gay soldiers, sailors,
>>>> airmen, and
>>>>>> marines?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pro patria,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>>>>>>
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