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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Funny. Your ursine pal quotes from the same study I
cited (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United
States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) as well as the hugely
discredited Kinsey report in a failed attempt to bear up his spurious
assertion of 10% of America's population being gay and yet you find my
numbers...curious. Could it be that Yogi's numbers "look better" because
they more closely match up with your preconceived notions?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:bear@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>bear@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:bear@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>bear@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Tom Hansen"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Moscow Vision
2020" <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:02 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top
Aviator</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> This looks better.<BR>> <BR>> The Crabtree information,
including the citation, is in quotes, <BR>> indicating it was lifted
from a website or whatever. I wonder where it <BR>> came from.<BR>>
<BR>> You're right, though, Bear the percentage is irrelevant. <BR>>
Discrimination is wrong regardless of the percentage. But the Crabtree
<BR>> numbers are ... curious.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Joe
Campbell<BR>> <BR>> On May 21, 2009, at 7:33 AM, </FONT><A
href="mailto:bear@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>bear@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> wrote:<BR>>
<BR>>><BR>>> I think we are trying to count how many angels can
dance on the head <BR>>> of a<BR>>> pin, and depending on what
study you use, the numbers vary.<BR>>><BR>>> The bottom line is,
they have a right to serve, let them!<BR>>><BR>>> The average ratio
from several studies are that 9.37% of men are<BR>>> homosexual and 4.87%
of women are homosexual in the US. The Central<BR>>> Intelligence Agency
estimates that there are 149,346,264 men and<BR>>> 154,478,382 women in
the US which would statistically equate to <BR>>>
13,993,745<BR>>> gay men & 7,523,097 lesbians in the US for a total of
just over 21.5<BR>>> Million.<BR>>><BR>>> In 1995, a survey
(The prevalence of homosexual behavior and <BR>>> attraction
in<BR>>> the United States, the United Kingdom and France: Results of
national<BR>>> population-based samples - Sell, Wells, and Wypij) reported
6.2% of <BR>>> males<BR>>> and 3.6% of females in the United
States report having had sexual <BR>>> contact<BR>>> with
someone of the same sex in the previous 5 years.<BR>>><BR>>> A 1994
study (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices <BR>>>
in<BR>>> the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels)
reported <BR>>> that the<BR>>> incidence rate of homosexual
desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for <BR>>>
women.<BR>>><BR>>> A 1993 study (The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior
- Janus and Janus) <BR>>> found<BR>>> 9% of men and 5% of
women were involved in frequent or ongoing <BR>>>
homosexual<BR>>> experiences.<BR>>><BR>>> A 1990 study
(Homosexuality/Heterosexuality by McWhirter, Sanders, and<BR>>> Reinisch)
stated 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females had <BR>>> "extensive"
or<BR>>> "more than incidental" homosexual
experience.<BR>>><BR>>> The Indiana University Kinsey Reports
(Sexual Behavior in the Human <BR>>> Male -<BR>>> Kinsey,
Pomeroy, and Martin/Sexual Behavior in the Human Female - <BR>>>
Kinsey,<BR>>> Pomeroy, Martin, and Gerhard) reported 10% of males being
more or less<BR>>> exclusively homosexual and 2% to 6% of females being
more or less<BR>>> exclusively homosexual.<BR>>><BR>>> ---
<BR>>> --- <BR>>> --- <BR>>> --- <BR>>> --- <BR>>>
--- <BR>>> --- <BR>>> --- <BR>>> --- <BR>>> ---
<BR>>> --- <BR>>> --- <BR>>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>><BR>>>>
Where is this from?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Joe
Campbell<BR>>>><BR>>>> On May 21, 2009, at 6:14 AM, "g.
crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> "1.51% of
the total U.S. population identifies themselves as gay,<BR>>>>>
lesbian or bisexual, or 4.3 total million Americans. These
numbers<BR>>>>> are based on figures provided by a broad-based
coalition of gay<BR>>>>> rights organizations and homosexual
advocacy groups. The primary<BR>>>>> source cited was the The
National Health and Social Life Survey<BR>>>>> (NHSLS), published in
the book The Social Organization of Sex:<BR>>>>> Sexual Practices in
the United States (1994), by Laumann, Gagnon,<BR>>>>> Michael and
Michaels. "<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
And,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> "Referring to the Laumann study,
the gay rights coalition stated<BR>>>>> that in the United States
2.8% of males age 18 or older, and 1.4% of<BR>>>>> females age 18 or
older are homosexual, gay, lesbian or bisexual. We<BR>>>>> have
applied their figures to the 2003 U.S. population
(284,800,000<BR>>>>> total population, according to the U.S. Census
Bureau). 0.9% of<BR>>>>> women identify themselves as lesbians
(excluding bisexuals), which<BR>>>>> equates to 0.32% of total U.S.
population being lesbians. 2 percent<BR>>>>> of men identify
themselves as gay (excluding bisexuals), which<BR>>>>> equates to
0.7% of total U.S. population being gay men. Source:<BR>>>>>
National study published in Laumann, et al., The Social
Organization<BR>>>>> of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States
(1994)"<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
g<BR>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>>>> From:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:bear@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>bear@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:21
PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top
Aviator<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>
Tom,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Honestly the only way that
we can put a number on it is based on<BR>>>>> the
fact<BR>>>>>> that a nations military forces reflects the
statistics of that<BR>>>>> nation. It<BR>>>>>> is
estimated that about 10% of the US population is gay,<BR>>>>>
therefore, it<BR>>>>>> safe to make the assumption that
some where around 6,000 of those<BR>>>>> on
the<BR>>>>>> Wall were gay (5, 819.5 for those of you out there
doing the math).<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> Even more
interesting when you look at those numbers based on WW2<BR>>>>>
troop<BR>>>>>> numbers, and really more revealing when you
consider that there<BR>>>>> have been<BR>>>>>> 3,465
Medal of Honor winners, resulting in 346 gay Medal of Honor<BR>>>>>
winners.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I had an old First
Sergeant that used to tell our troops, that one<BR>>>>>
in<BR>>>>>> three people in America has some sort of
psychological problem. So<BR>>>>> in this<BR>>>>>>
formation, look to your left, and look to your right, and if
those<BR>>>>> two<BR>>>>>> guys look OK, it's
YOU!<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
I have asked this question before, and it bears repeating
again<BR>>>>> coupled<BR>>>>>>> with serious
concern.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> There are
58,195 names on the Vietnam Memorial
Wall.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> How many, would
you estimate, belong to gay soldiers, sailors,<BR>>>>> airmen,
and<BR>>>>>>>
marines?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Pro
patria,<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Tom
Hansen<BR>>>>>>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> "Patriotism is not
a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but <BR>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>> tranquil and steady dedication of a
lifetime."<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> -- Adlai E.
Stevenson,
Jr.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
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