[Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top Aviator

[Joe Campbell]

This looks better.

The Crabtree information, including the citation, is in quotes,  
indicating it was lifted from a website or whatever. I wonder where it  
came from.

You're right, though, Bear the percentage is irrelevant.  
Discrimination is wrong regardless of the percentage. But the Crabtree  
numbers are ... curious.



Joe Campbell

On May 21, 2009, at 7:33 AM, bear at moscow.com wrote:

>
> I think we are trying to count how many angels can dance on the head  
> of a
> pin, and depending on what study you use, the numbers vary.
>
> The bottom line is, they have a right to serve, let them!
>
> The average ratio from several studies are that 9.37% of men are
> homosexual and 4.87% of women are homosexual in the US. The Central
> Intelligence Agency estimates that there are 149,346,264 men and
> 154,478,382 women in the US which would statistically equate to  
> 13,993,745
> gay men & 7,523,097 lesbians in the US for a total of just over 21.5
> Million.
>
> In 1995, a survey (The prevalence of homosexual behavior and  
> attraction in
> the United States, the United Kingdom and France: Results of national
> population-based samples - Sell, Wells, and Wypij) reported 6.2% of  
> males
> and 3.6% of females in the United States report having had sexual  
> contact
> with someone of the same sex in the previous 5 years.
>
> A 1994 study (The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices  
> in
> the United States - Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels) reported  
> that the
> incidence rate of homosexual desire for men is 7.7% and 7.5% for  
> women.
>
> A 1993 study (The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior - Janus and Janus)  
> found
> 9% of men and 5% of women were involved in frequent or ongoing  
> homosexual
> experiences.
>
> A 1990 study (Homosexuality/Heterosexuality by McWhirter, Sanders, and
> Reinisch) stated 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females had  
> "extensive" or
> "more than incidental" homosexual experience.
>
> The Indiana University Kinsey Reports (Sexual Behavior in the Human  
> Male -
> Kinsey, Pomeroy, and Martin/Sexual Behavior in the Human Female -  
> Kinsey,
> Pomeroy, Martin, and Gerhard) reported 10% of males being more or less
> exclusively homosexual and 2% to 6% of females being more or less
> exclusively homosexual.
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>> Where is this from?
>>
>> Joe Campbell
>>
>> On May 21, 2009, at 6:14 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "1.51% of the total U.S. population identifies themselves as gay,
>>> lesbian or bisexual, or 4.3 total million Americans. These numbers
>>> are based on figures provided by a broad-based coalition of gay
>>> rights organizations and homosexual advocacy groups. The primary
>>> source cited was the The National Health and Social Life Survey
>>> (NHSLS), published in the book The Social Organization of Sex:
>>> Sexual Practices in the United States (1994), by Laumann, Gagnon,
>>> Michael and Michaels. "
>>>
>>> And,
>>>
>>> "Referring to the Laumann study, the gay rights coalition stated
>>> that in the United States 2.8% of males age 18 or older, and 1.4% of
>>> females age 18 or older are homosexual, gay, lesbian or bisexual. We
>>> have applied their figures to the 2003 U.S. population (284,800,000
>>> total population, according to the U.S. Census Bureau). 0.9% of
>>> women identify themselves as lesbians (excluding bisexuals), which
>>> equates to 0.32% of total U.S. population being lesbians. 2 percent
>>> of men identify themselves as gay (excluding bisexuals), which
>>> equates to 0.7% of total U.S. population being gay men. Source:
>>> National study published in Laumann, et al., The Social Organization
>>> of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994)"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> g
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bear at moscow.com>
>>> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Air Force Boots Top Aviator
>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> Honestly the only way that we can put a number on it is based on
>>> the fact
>>>> that a nations military forces reflects the statistics of that
>>> nation. It
>>>> is estimated that about 10% of the US population is gay,
>>> therefore, it
>>>> safe to make the assumption that  some where around 6,000 of those
>>> on the
>>>> Wall were gay (5, 819.5 for those of you out there doing the math).
>>>>
>>>> Even more interesting when you look at those numbers based on WW2
>>> troop
>>>> numbers, and really more revealing when you consider that there
>>> have been
>>>> 3,465 Medal of Honor winners, resulting in 346 gay Medal of Honor
>>> winners.
>>>>
>>>> I had an old First Sergeant that used to tell our troops, that one
>>> in
>>>> three people in America has some sort of psychological problem. So
>>> in this
>>>> formation, look to your left, and look to your right, and if those
>>> two
>>>> guys look OK, it's YOU!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have asked this question before, and it bears repeating again
>>> coupled
>>>>> with serious concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 58,195 names on the Vietnam Memorial Wall.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many, would you estimate, belong to gay soldiers, sailors,
>>> airmen, and
>>>>> marines?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pro patria,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but  
>>>>> the
>>>>> tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>>>>>
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