[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

Sun Jun 14 14:36:40 PDT 2009

What news program did Nina make those comments?

Joe Campbell

On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:30 PM, "Warren Hayman" <whayman at roadrunner.com>  
wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> I made no mention of bias-- I simply noted the type of show. Simply  
> not news, that's all.
>
> Warren Hayman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g. crabtree
> To: Warren Hayman ; Sunil Ramalingam
> Cc: vision 2020
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Nina Totenberg on General Jerry Boykin:
>
>
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> "I hope he’s not long for this world."
>
>
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> On Senator Jesse Helms:
>
>
>
> "If the "Good Lord" knew justice, Senator Jesse Helms will "get AIDS  
> from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it."
>
>
>
> Additionally, you didn't have to listen to more than a few minutes  
> of Totenberg's coverage of Justice Thomas' confirmation hearing to  
> discern that she was of the belief that Anita Hill walked on water  
> and that Thomas was the scum on the pond. Bias? Oh no.
>
>
>
> onward...
>
>
>
> "NPR’s own official ombudsman, Jeffrey Dvorkin, admitted a liberal b 
> ias in NPR’s talk programming. The daily program "Fresh Air with Ter 
> ry Gross" – a 60-minute talk show about the arts, literature, and al 
> so politics – airs on 378 public-radio stations across the fruited p 
> lain. Gross recently became a hot topic on journalism Web sites for  
> first having a friendly, giggly interview with "satirist" Al Franken 
> , promoting his obnoxious screed against conservatives on September  
> 3, and then on October 8, unloading an accusatory, hostile interview 
>  on Bill O’Reilly. She pressed the Fox host to respond to the obnoxi 
> ous attacks of Franken and other critics. Dvorkin ruled: "Unfortunat 
> ely, the [O'Reilly] interview only served to confirm the belief, hel 
> d by some, in NPR's liberal media bias....by coming across as a pro- 
> Franken partisan rather than a neutral and curious journalist, Gross 
>  did almost nothing that might have allowed the interview to develop."
>
>
>
> I guess Mr. Ramalingam and Mr. Hayman must be right, no liberal bias  
> at NPR, no sir, none at all.
>
>
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warren Hayman
> To: Sunil Ramalingam
> Cc: vision 2020
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Not to mention that "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross consists of  
> interviews, not news.
>
> Warren Hayman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sunil Ramalingam
> Cc: vision 2020
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
>
> Gary,
>
> Are you saying that Nina Totenberg spins her reporting on the  
> Supreme Court?  How?
>
> Sunil
>
> > From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> > To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
> > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:41:39 -0700
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >
> > If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews,  
> Newsweek and
> > Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery Dvorkin, Nina  
> Totenberg,
> > Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put a particularly and  
> decidedly
> > liberal spin on its "information" then you're even thicker than I  
> previously
> > imagined. No mean feat, that.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> > To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
> >
> >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're  
> obviously
> > > reading something into my post that I did not say.
> > >
> > > Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree  
> from any
> > > other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post  
> with some
> > > claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as irresponsible since  
> it just
> > > muddys the water. Not every organization is biased in the way  
> Fox is.
> > > Someone needed to point that out and I did so. That is all there  
> is to
> > > it. I made no comments about conservative news organizations in  
> general,
> > > just the one bad apple.
> > >
> > > Joe Campbell
> > >
> > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart  
> <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Joe Campbell wrote:
> > >>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like  
> you have
> > >>> got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News.  
> What a joke!
> > >>
> > >> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News. All  
> I said
> > >> was that all news has bias. That includes both the NY Times and  
> Fox
> > >> News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias relative to  
> each
> > >> other.
> > >>
> > >> You've drawn a line in the sand. There is a "right" that  
> watches only
> > >> Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY Times.  
> The truth
> > >> is, that line doesn't really exist as a line. If you really  
> look at it,
> > >> the right and left ideologies cover so much territory that you  
> can't
> > >> help but agree with a few concepts "across the line".
> > >> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country,  
> we have to
> > >> throw that crap out the window. All of us have to do this.  
> Instead of
> > >> looking for where we might agree, we're highlighting the  
> differences.
> > >>
> > >> Paul
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
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