[Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate

[Warren Hayman]

Hi Gary,

I made no mention of bias-- I simply noted the type of show. Simply not news, that's all.

Warren Hayman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: g. crabtree 
  To: Warren Hayman ; Sunil Ramalingam 
  Cc: vision 2020 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate


  Nina Totenberg on General Jerry Boykin:



  "I hope he's not long for this world."



  On Senator Jesse Helms:



  "If the "Good Lord" knew justice, Senator Jesse Helms will "get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it."



  Additionally, you didn't have to listen to more than a few minutes of Totenberg's coverage of Justice Thomas' confirmation hearing to discern that she was of the belief that Anita Hill walked on water and that Thomas was the scum on the pond. Bias? Oh no.



  onward...



  "NPR's own official ombudsman, Jeffrey Dvorkin, admitted a liberal bias in NPR's talk programming. The daily program "Fresh Air with Terry Gross" - a 60-minute talk show about the arts, literature, and also politics - airs on 378 public-radio stations across the fruited plain. Gross recently became a hot topic on journalism Web sites for first having a friendly, giggly interview with "satirist" Al Franken, promoting his obnoxious screed against conservatives on September 3, and then on October 8, unloading an accusatory, hostile interview on Bill O'Reilly. She pressed the Fox host to respond to the obnoxious attacks of Franken and other critics. Dvorkin ruled: "Unfortunately, the [O'Reilly] interview only served to confirm the belief, held by some, in NPR's liberal media bias....by coming across as a pro-Franken partisan rather than a neutral and curious journalist, Gross did almost nothing that might have allowed the interview to develop."



  I guess Mr. Ramalingam and Mr. Hayman must be right, no liberal bias at NPR, no sir, none at all.



  g

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Warren Hayman 
    To: Sunil Ramalingam 
    Cc: vision 2020 
    Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:00 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate


    Not to mention that "Fresh Air" with Terry Gross consists of interviews, not news.

    Warren Hayman

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Sunil Ramalingam 
      Cc: vision 2020 
      Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:55 PM
      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate


      Gary,

      Are you saying that Nina Totenberg spins her reporting on the Supreme Court?  How?

      Sunil

      > From: jampot at roadrunner.com
      > To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
      > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:41:39 -0700
      > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
      > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
      > 
      > If you imagine that MSNBC with Olbermann, Madow, and Mathews, Newsweek and 
      > Evan Thomas, and taxpayer funded NPR with Jeffery Dvorkin, Nina Totenberg, 
      > Terry Gross and Michele Norris doesn't put a particularly and decidedly 
      > liberal spin on its "information" then you're even thicker than I previously 
      > imagined. No mean feat, that.
      > 
      > g
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
      > To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
      > Cc: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:41 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NYTimes: The Big Hate
      > 
      > 
      > > Paul,
      > >
      > > And what does this have to do with anything I've said? You're obviously 
      > > reading something into my post that I did not say.
      > >
      > > Fox news is a disgusting example of bias, different in degree from any 
      > > other news organization, IMO. That you would follow Tom's post with some 
      > > claim that "Everyone does it" strikes me as irresponsible since it just 
      > > muddys the water. Not every organization is biased in the way Fox is. 
      > > Someone needed to point that out and I did so. That is all there is to 
      > > it. I made no comments about conservative news organizations in general, 
      > > just the one bad apple.
      > >
      > > Joe Campbell
      > >
      > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
      > >
      > >> Joe Campbell wrote:
      > >>> This is precisely why I'm disagreeing with Paul. Folks like you have 
      > >>> got him convinced that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News. What a joke!
      > >>
      > >> Nowhere did I say that the NY Times is as bad as Fox News. All I said 
      > >> was that all news has bias. That includes both the NY Times and Fox 
      > >> News, but it says nothing about the amount of bias relative to each 
      > >> other.
      > >>
      > >> You've drawn a line in the sand. There is a "right" that watches only 
      > >> Fox News, and there is a "left" that reads only the NY Times. The truth 
      > >> is, that line doesn't really exist as a line. If you really look at it, 
      > >> the right and left ideologies cover so much territory that you can't 
      > >> help but agree with a few concepts "across the line".
      > >> If we're ever going to come back together again as a country, we have to 
      > >> throw that crap out the window. All of us have to do this. Instead of 
      > >> looking for where we might agree, we're highlighting the differences.
      > >>
      > >> Paul
      > >>
      > > 
      > 
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