[Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
Bill London
london at moscow.com
Fri Jun 5 10:38:09 PDT 2009
G-
Your use of the word "seriously" in the message below (..."take her professed religion seriously") is way off the mark.
Your implication is that Catholics who disagree with the pronouncements of a group of celebate and irrelevant bureaucrats make that choice frivilously or without any consideration or thought. You imply that there is only one way to be a Catholic, or a Christian for that matter.
Both of those implications are foolish and wrong.
I think it is quite reasonable for a person to see him/herself as a Catholic (to find strength in the church, etc) and to have a strong belief in the necessity for both birth control and a woman's right to choose abortion.
BL
----- Original Message -----
From: g. crabtree
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
You're welcome, I suppose. It's a good thing that you choose an occupation where any interpretation (no matter how off the mark) of any subject can be seen as valid. A second grader would have been able to discern that my contempt was for a pair of slimy politicians that pay scant lip service to The Church and not for Catholicism itself. I would be pleasantly surprised if the most recent supreme court nominee turned out to take her professed religion seriously, I'm just a little skeptical that it will turn out to be the case. When it comes to upper level lefties it seldom does.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
Cc: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>; "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
> Thanks Gary for sticking up for religions that defend SLAVERY but for
> kicking them down when they come from the left!
>
> Joe Campbell
>
> On Jun 4, 2009, at 5:24 PM, "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> Fat chance. Roger. I suspect that her Catholicism is more in the
>> tradition
>> of Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi. A box to check on the appropriate
>> forms and
>> little else.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
>> To: "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020"
>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth
>> Catholic?
>>
>>
>>> I do not think that her views on abortion are well known. If turns
>>> out that
>>> she is pro-life, I lot of you with the possible exception of Keely
>>> will be
>>> less enthused with her appointment. It would be ironic if she
>>> turned out to
>>> be the reverse of Souter on the abortion issue.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:41:37 -0700
>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Sotomayor: US Supreme Court's Sixth Catholic?
>>>
>>>> Gender, racial or ethnic background may or may not be important in a
>>>> choice
>>>> for a US Supreme Court justice, but it seems religious background
>>>> is not
>>>> a
>>>> major focus in the case of Sotomayor's nomination.
>>>>
>>>> And why is this issue not on the front page? If she were Muslim,
>>>> Hindu
>>>> or
>>>> Atheist, the full force of the religious bias in the US body politic
>>>> towards
>>>> a challenge to the Christian/Judaism monopoly on US politics would
>>>> be
>>>> revealed, despite the claim of the religious right that
>>>> Christianity is
>>>> being marginalized in government. Religion is a dominant
>>>> influence on
>>>> ideology that should be open to full critical rational fact based
>>>> discussion, as well as gender, racial or ethnic background.
>>>>
>>>> Article on Sotomayor's Catholic background:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31catholics.html?ref=global-home
>>>> -------------------
>>>> Why is there not a single US Senator who declares themselves of
>>>> another
>>>> religious background than Christian or Jewish, of one variety or
>>>> another?
>>>> There are two US Senators who are "unspecified." Now there's a
>>>> faith for
>>>> you!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html#109
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate
>>>>
>>>>> From website above:
>>>>
>>>> According to the data, no Senator falls under the category "No
>>>> Religion/Atheist/Agnostic" - a category embodied by 15.0% of the
>>>> U.S.
>>>> population according to the 2001 Census.
>>>> -------------------
>>>> Religion is the most pervasive form of prejudice against a political
>>>> position (and despite what some might wish otherwise, US Supreme
>>>> Court
>>>> justice nominations are very political in nature) in US politics,
>>>> in the
>>>> US
>>>> Senate or the presidency. More than gender, race or ethnicity.
>>>>
>>>> No politician running for the US Senate or the presidency would
>>>> stand a
>>>> chance if they openly declared themselves Atheist.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Moffett
>>>>
>>>>
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